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  My wife , Son and DIL living with us ,have still not acknowledged my birthday today @ 5:15 pm , I might have to drop them a subtle hint.

  by smiddy in

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  i know being a witness for 33 years and not celebrating b/days you do lose the habit , but i thought one of them would have remembered ?

  oh well .. maybe i will just rub it in with them tomorrow .make them feel guilty , eh ?.

  then again i might just start singing "76 trombones" at the dinner table tonight .

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  leaving_quietly

  Happy Birthday, smiddy!
  

  Happy Birthday, Sail Away!
  
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  Drama at the RC

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i sat through part 1 of the drama yesterday.

  i thought they did a fairly decent job with it, except for the weird questions asked up front by an ancient guy asking "how do you know jehovah's witnesses have the truth?

  " that has absolutely nothing to do with how he was convinced jesus was the messiah.

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  The dramas are designed to toy with emotions

  Yes, certainly. Even yours truly got a little teary-eyed in the drama with how they presented the woman with the flow of blood being healed. Of course, it was all set to music, and music has a powerful, powerful emotional effect.
  
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  Drama at the RC

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i sat through part 1 of the drama yesterday.

  i thought they did a fairly decent job with it, except for the weird questions asked up front by an ancient guy asking "how do you know jehovah's witnesses have the truth?

  " that has absolutely nothing to do with how he was convinced jesus was the messiah.

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  an hour ago

  First-Century synagogues had podiums?

  Don't know. It's possible, I suppose. I have no issue with embellishing a bit with stuff like this where the detail isn't in the Bible account. But when the Bible describes is one way, and it's presented another, I tend to get a little annoyed.
  
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  Should I hit send button as is? Change? Or just hit delete?

  by Lied2NoMore in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so after being deleted because of my comment on her instagram post by my sister-in-law i got a text from her stating she didn't want a debate on instagram and the scripture i posted would not apply to satan, they are worried about me, go see elders, return to jehovah, or else you won't get life, etc etc.... i'm ready to respond with the following reply:.

  so....hit send?

  make changes?

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  There are some cases where it is better to keep silent. Attacking their religious leaders does more harm than good.
  
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  Drama at the RC

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i sat through part 1 of the drama yesterday.

  i thought they did a fairly decent job with it, except for the weird questions asked up front by an ancient guy asking "how do you know jehovah's witnesses have the truth?

  " that has absolutely nothing to do with how he was convinced jesus was the messiah.

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  Where was the RC you were at (if it is okay to tell me)?

  Tacoma, Washington, USA

  I re-read the account... there was more that they got wrong. In the account, they rushed Jesus out to the mountainside to push him over the cliff, but in the drama, they tried to accost him in the synagogue and he escaped there. (Luke 4:29,30)

  Sheesh!
  
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  Acts 15... common decision making or peace treaty?

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  acts 15, along with the fds parable, are the basis for the existence of the modern day gb.

  it is not difficult for anyone who is beginning to study the bible with jws to see this and be utterly convinced of the matter.

  even after learning ttatt i had a hard time departing from the idea that a centralized body of administration may have existed then and may need to exist now.

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  For Paul, it wasn't a question. He didn't go to get a decision. Instead, he went to make them see that he was not wrong, and that he was doing what he was entrusted by the Lord to do.
  

  Gal 2:2: "I went up as a result of a revelation, and I presented to them the good news that I am preaching among the nations. This was done privately, however, before the men who were highly regarded, to make sure that I was not running or had not run in vain."
  

  
  Gal 2:4-5: "But that matter came up because of the false brothers brought in quietly, who slipped in to spy on the freedom we enjoy in union with Christ Jesus, so that they might completely enslave us; 5 we did not yield in submission to them, no, not for a moment, so that the truth of the good news might continue with you.
  
  

  Gal 2:6: "But regarding those who seemed to be important—whatever they were makes no difference to me, for God does not go by a man’s outward appearance—those highly regarded men imparted nothing new to me. "

  The letter sent out by those in Jerusalem starts out almost as an apology:

  "The apostles and the elders, your brothers, to those brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Ci·liʹcia who are from the nations: Greetings! Since we have heard that some went out from among us and caused you trouble with what they have said, trying to subvert you, although we did not give them any instructions..."

  Keep in mind that it WAS a decision from Jerusalem. It's even referred to as such in Acts 21:25. But, it HAD to come from there since that was where the JEWS originated from, and this Christianity thing was originally from the Jews. Paul was seemingly teaching an apostasy from Moses, so there was disruption (Acts 21:21). And that disruption was causing a problem. So, there needed to be some decision from somewhere. It wasn't a centralized body, though. It simply was from the place that was central to the Jews, and since the nations were starting to be gathered in, it makes sense that a decision came from the Jews there regarding that particular matter. After all, it was FROM there that false brothers were insisting that ones get circumcised.

  Now if there truly was a centralized body in Jerusalem, then why was Paul sent out from Antioch on all three of his missionary journies? And why was it in Antioch that the name "Christian" was first used "by divine providence"? (Acts 11:26)
  
  
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  Drama at the RC

  by leaving_quietly in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i sat through part 1 of the drama yesterday.

  i thought they did a fairly decent job with it, except for the weird questions asked up front by an ancient guy asking "how do you know jehovah's witnesses have the truth?

  " that has absolutely nothing to do with how he was convinced jesus was the messiah.

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  I sat through part 1 of the drama yesterday. I thought they did a fairly decent job with it, except for the weird questions asked up front by an ancient guy asking "How do you know Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth?" That has absolutely NOTHING to do with how he was convinced Jesus was the Messiah. But, I digress...

  I caught something... a bit nit-picky, I know, but thought I would point it out. When they showed Jesus reading from the scrolls in the synagogue a prophecy in Isaiah that applied to him, after reading, I expected Jesus to sit down, then say, "Today this scripture that you just heard is fulfilled" as per the account in Luke 4:20. But he didn't. Instead, the Jesus in the drama stepped to the side of the podium and said those words. I don't even recall him handing the scroll to any attendant, but I wasn't focused on that, so maybe I missed it.
  

  Yes, I know this is nit-picking, but for an organization that is constantly harping on "accurate knowledge" and where individual members criticize movies for not following the Bible accounts exactly, this seemingly small thing irritated me. Sure, the drama embellished on some things, but when it's clearly stated in the account one way, there's no justification for taking liberties to portray it another way.

  Just my two cents.
  
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  This just happened within last 15 mins......

  by Lied2NoMore in

  1. jw
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  i saw an instagram post showing a short clip of a talk being given in one of our southern states.

  the talk clip showed speaker making the statement, "jehovah doesn't want anyone to know satans real name, jehovah hates satan so much, he doesn't even want his name mentioned" .

  i posted in comments: matt 5:44-48 with the full scripture rendered from niv.

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  SE USA?

  No, complete opposite side of the country, NW USA. Must be a manuscript talk.
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  OK so the GB are shaming Bros who don't "reach out" but would they ever consider this?...

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
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  i note on here the feedback from the currently ongoing conventions that the gb are heavily trying to guilt and shame any brothers who are not ms or elders.

  i agree with most posters who reckon this shows just how thin on the ground they are for ms and elders but... my question is.

  how comes that even though they are so desperate they still will not allow women to fill those roles?

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  Paul is somewhat contradictory in his thinking, I thn. I mean, look at Romans 16:1:

  "I am introducing to you Phoeʹbe, our sister, who is a minister of the congregation that is in Cenʹchre·ae." (NWT)

  The word here for "minister" is the same word used at 1 Tim 3:8 for "ministerial servant."
  
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  This just happened within last 15 mins......

  by Lied2NoMore in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i saw an instagram post showing a short clip of a talk being given in one of our southern states.

  the talk clip showed speaker making the statement, "jehovah doesn't want anyone to know satans real name, jehovah hates satan so much, he doesn't even want his name mentioned" .

  i posted in comments: matt 5:44-48 with the full scripture rendered from niv.

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  This was at the RC, likely, as it same sentence was spoken at the RC I was at today. They said he had other names, like Belial, meaning "Good for nothing".

  I thought to myself: What about Lucifer? Isa 14:12 calls him "O shining one" in the NWT, which means Lucifer, which means "light bearer". Other translations call him "Day Star".

  And so what if we don't know his REAL name? We don't know God's real name, either. All we have is YHWH.