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  Summary of CO visit this week.

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  so i was eagerly (add sarcasm) awaiting the co visit this week.

  for once because is less work being at the meeting.

  i just have to sit down and listen.

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  His name is Daniel Con

  Fitting
  
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  New light from GB member David Splane!

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

  "suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

  would he be part of joseph's generation?

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  Just a note: Joseph was the 7th son. Leah had six sons already. Joseph was Rachel's first. Exodus 1:6 includes "all his brothers". So, someone who died 10 minutes before Joseph died or was born 10 minutes after he died WOULD be included in the generation since the generation included Joseph and "all his brothers."
  
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  New light from GB member David Splane!

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

  "suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

  would he be part of joseph's generation?

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  So according to all of the above scriptures, a Biblical "generation" is between 35-40 years long

  Even the Bible isn't that precise. Take a look at Genesis 15:13-16:
  

  Then He said to Aʹbram: “Know for certain that your offspring will be foreigners in a land not theirs and that the people there will enslave them and afflict them for 400 years. 14 But I will judge the nation they will serve, and after that they will go out with many goods. 15 As for you, you will go to your forefathers in peace; you will be buried at a good old age. 16 But they will return here in the fourth generation, because the error of the Amʹor·ites has not yet reached its full measure.”

  
  

  By this passage, a generation could be 100 years (400 / 4)
  
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  Missionary Deceptively/Mistakenly Misquotes Scripture.........

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ....................on jw broadcasting.

  http://tv.jw.org/#video/vodstudio/pub-jwb_201509_1_video (between 14 - 16 mins.).

  allyson lee, who is a missionary in nicaragua, misquoted "a very special scripture" - acts 1:8. she said, "that the good news will be preached to the most distant part of the earth.".

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  Well, if they really preached the Biblical "good news", that is, Christ, then her statement would be accurate. But, they preach "another sort of good news." (Gal 1:6)
  
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  TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

  david spane does his best to explain it again.

  the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

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  Such a tangled web. I have much to say, but won't... not enough time... just wanted to point out that the GB is not including the great tribulation in "all these things", thus, "this generation" ends some time prior to the great tribulation, allowing for some other group of anointed. Biblically speaking, this can't be. The great tribulation is introduced in verse 20, but Jesus said "all these things" later, in verses 33 and 34. Once again, this is the GB saying that Jesus didn't really mean what he said.
  
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  TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

  david spane does his best to explain it again.

  the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

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  Frederick Franz was baptized in November 1913, but was considered one of the Lord's anointed in 1914? I guess that means that newly baptized ones CAN be of the anointed.
  
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  TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

  david spane does his best to explain it again.

  the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

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  leaving_quietly

  Talk about a red herring speaking of the baby who died 10 minutes before Joseph was born or the one born 10 minutes after Joseph died. Who cares? The scripture he uses, Exodus 1:6 doesn't say anything about Joseph's generation. It says: "Joseph eventually died, and also all his brothers and all that generation." Just because Joseph was in the sentence doesn't mean the generation began with Joseph's birth and ended with his death.

  Joseph was not the oldest of his brothers. He was the firstborn to Rachel, but Leah already had six children. So, in reality, he was the 7th son. Thus, the generation did not start with Joseph's birth as the verse includes "all his brothers". So, a person who died 10 minutes BEFORE Joseph was born WOULD still be part of that generation, and a person who was born 10 minutes AFTER Joseph died WOULD also still be part of that generation BECAUSE that generation included ALL HIS BROTHERS.

  Sheesh.
  
  
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  They've Exposed Their Hand

  by OneFingerSalute in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so the wtb&t$ have either intentionally or unwittingly exposed their hand in this mornings wt indoctrination article.. this is a direct quote from par.

  "regardless of how long we have been in the truth, we must tell others about jehovah's organization.

  " the question is, "what obligation does psalm 48: 12-14 place on us?".

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  July 15, 2015, first study article in the mag... don't have the title in front of me.
  
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  They've Exposed Their Hand

  by OneFingerSalute in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so the wtb&t$ have either intentionally or unwittingly exposed their hand in this mornings wt indoctrination article.. this is a direct quote from par.

  "regardless of how long we have been in the truth, we must tell others about jehovah's organization.

  " the question is, "what obligation does psalm 48: 12-14 place on us?".

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  My notes:

  Par 4: "Unlike some religious people who mistakenly think that they will praise God once they have left the earth and gone to heaven..."

  Elitism. We're better than they are. BTW, I've never heard religious people say they don't praise God now. This is just a comment to throw the audience off track.

  Par 5: "earthly courtyard". No scriptural reference. The idea isn't even put forth in the Bible.

  Par 5: "Although having different hopes..." Eph 4:4. 'nuff said.

  Par 7: "By 1919, those approved by Jehovah and serving were clearly identified. They had been spiritually refined in order to make their service to God even more acceptable to him."

  Spiritually refined? Still celebrating Christmas and birthdays, had the cross on the cover of the magazine, had many, many incorrect doctrines that were borrowed from the Adventists and Millerites...

  Par 8: "The paradise that Paul spoke about would have a physicial, a spiritual and a heavenly fulfillment, all of which will coexist in the future. It can refer to the physical, earthly Paradise yet to come."

  Quite an assertion since the Bible doesn't say this at all.

  
  Par 10: "The expression "spiritual paradise" has become part of our theocratic vocabulary."

  Yet, not found in the Bible.

  Par 13: "We must tell others about Jehovah's organization."

  As the OP mentioned, this is exposing their hand. There isn't a scriptural command for this, but if they're going to use Psalm 48:12-14, then "Zion" is Jehovah's organization, and that organization is on earth. Rev 14:1 has the 144,000 standing on Mount Zion, which means that the 144,000 is ON EARTH. How's that for logic?

  Par 17: "We often say that they get better every year!"

  This statement is in regards to assemblies and conventions. My comment on this is that we would be hard-pressed to even REMEMBER an assembly or convention last year beyond some warm and fuzzy feelings about seeing old friends or other JWs from other countries.

  Par 17: "He progressively enhances the beauty of his organization and of the spiritual paradise that we enjoy even now!"

  The "He" is Jehovah. Again, they are doing an end-run around Christ, whom God made "head over all things with regard to the congregation." (Eph 1:22)
  
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  Hi Everyone. Answer to prayer countdown...

  by Stumpy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.

  you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!

  what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.

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  leaving_quietly

  Thank YOU, Stumpy, for all the research. My issues with WTBTS are mostly doctrinal. Not that I'm burying my head in the sand on other issues, such as child abuse. However, for an organization that claims to be the ONLY true religion and GOD's organization, it MUST be able to stand up to scrutiny on doctrinal points. My own research shows it does not. Not by a long shot. I look forward to reading what you put together.

  I woke up when I was an elder and I resigned because I could no longer stomach teaching falsehoods. That's the bottom line for me. Sadly, my wife is very much in, and any talk of something wrong with WTBTS teachings is strictly taboo in my home. I must go it alone. I expect it will be well worth it in the long run.
  

  ~LQ