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  Why get "personal" when discussing a topic?

  by Terry in

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  trading insults happens among kids all the time.. intellectual development hasn't progressed to the point where they can present contrary ideas and opinions with persuasive appeal to reasons, facts and logic.. "i know you are; but what am i?".

  "your momma's so fat....".

  so, they fall back on childish mocking, provocation and personal attack.. as we grow older and have more education and sophistication our minds should mature---or so you'd think!.

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  panhandlegirl

  Thank you, panhandlegirl ; what a lovely compliment. :))

  talesin,

  You're welcome. There are so many mean and uncalled for insults on these posts that when someone is kind or gracious, it stands out to me as though highlighted in black.

  I would think that as exjws we could be more compassionate towards each other. I realize that just because we we all jws at some point in our lives, that does not mean we all share the same attitudes, political convictions, intellect, writing/spelling abilities, or social standing in the world. I have read some excellent posts on here and been impressed with some of the arguments presented. I have even changed my thoughts on some matters due to these arguments, but when posters are insulting for no reason, me mind shuts down to anything else they have to say. I am not thin skinned or sensitve, I just expect good manners from others, especially when I show good manners to them.

  I also feel Terry took a lot of verbal abuse, before offering a retort. I would not have taken those insults as long as he did. I do hope that after this discussion, we can continue without so much vitriol. That does not exclude lively debate and differences of opinion. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
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  Why get "personal" when discussing a topic?

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  trading insults happens among kids all the time.. intellectual development hasn't progressed to the point where they can present contrary ideas and opinions with persuasive appeal to reasons, facts and logic.. "i know you are; but what am i?".

  "your momma's so fat....".

  so, they fall back on childish mocking, provocation and personal attack.. as we grow older and have more education and sophistication our minds should mature---or so you'd think!.

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  panhandlegirl

  : What/who is defined as a "newbi?"

  Oh, someone who cannot spell it would be a good guess.

  Farkel

  Okay, I will rephrase the question and ask another one.

  What/who is defined as a "newbie?" and Why are you mad? I really just want to know. I don't whine, don't need a pat on the back, or anyone to whisper in my ear to tell me I'm smart. I want to associate with those who have endured what I have lived through as an exjw. They are the only ones who can understand how I feel as I continue to endure because, although I have a large family, everyone shuns me. I'm one of the ones wearing a white hat.
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  Worldwide Church of God collapse

  by cog_survivor in

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  on my introduction post a few people expressed interest in how the worldwide church of god (wwcg) imploded.

  i think maybe in hopes something similar will happen with the jws.

  i think the jws will also eventually experience a meltdown but probably not in the same way since the power structure was a bit different.

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  panhandlegirl

  cog, welcome to the forum. My husband and I (and his parents) used to listen to HWA and later to his son, Ted. You are right about people not understanding what it's like being raised in a cult. It is not easy to overcome the damage done to your psyche. It's difficult to reorganize/reinvent your life after this type of loss. As Frazier would say "I'm [we're] listening". Look forward to more of your posts.
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  Why get "personal" when discussing a topic?

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  trading insults happens among kids all the time.. intellectual development hasn't progressed to the point where they can present contrary ideas and opinions with persuasive appeal to reasons, facts and logic.. "i know you are; but what am i?".

  "your momma's so fat....".

  so, they fall back on childish mocking, provocation and personal attack.. as we grow older and have more education and sophistication our minds should mature---or so you'd think!.

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  panhandlegirl

  You newbies are a joke: whining little babies who want to be patted on the back and have everyone whisper in your ear how smart you are.

  There. That's an ad hominem for you.

  Farkel

  What/who is defined as a "newbi?" New to the forum, newly escaped from the organization, or new to certain "arguments"/discussions? Just asking.
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  Why get "personal" when discussing a topic?

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  trading insults happens among kids all the time.. intellectual development hasn't progressed to the point where they can present contrary ideas and opinions with persuasive appeal to reasons, facts and logic.. "i know you are; but what am i?".

  "your momma's so fat....".

  so, they fall back on childish mocking, provocation and personal attack.. as we grow older and have more education and sophistication our minds should mature---or so you'd think!.

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  panhandlegirl

  I thought she did that so that people would see his opening post, so he could get some response on what he had posted...not because it was off topic. And I agree, that was nice of her.

  still thinking,

  You may be right. I guess I was just impressed with her reply that as you stated “ was nice of her.” Although I love a spirited and controversial debate, I am more likely to listen to a “dignified” comment that addresses the issue at hand than to one that resorts to personal attacks. After the comments resort to personal attacks, the issue goes to hell; no one benefits.
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  Why get "personal" when discussing a topic?

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  trading insults happens among kids all the time.. intellectual development hasn't progressed to the point where they can present contrary ideas and opinions with persuasive appeal to reasons, facts and logic.. "i know you are; but what am i?".

  "your momma's so fat....".

  so, they fall back on childish mocking, provocation and personal attack.. as we grow older and have more education and sophistication our minds should mature---or so you'd think!.

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  panhandlegirl

  Terry, I totally agree with you. We all need to be able to discuss a subject without resorting to personal attacks against those who don't agree with our point of view. This includes us all, fomer Bethelite or former publisher. I have been appalled at how some of the recent threads had dissolved into name calling and putting people down. None of us know it all. I hesitate to comment for fear I will be attacked. I will mention one person, talesin, who impressed me with her discreet and gentle way of advising a new poster to start a new thread about his problem when he posted off subject on a recent thread. Although, I don't post much, I follow most of the posts (that interest me),from beginning to end. I hope we can start to have respect for each and every poster no matter how long they have been on this forum. It serves no purpose, nor does it advance our understanding of issues, when we insult and attack each other instead of discussing the subject presented. We can all learn from each other, or at least, see an issue from another person's perspective.
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  What song or line from a song bests describes your time as a JW?????

  by karter in

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  waisted days and waisted nites.. freddy fender..

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  panhandlegirl

  karter wrote:

  Waisted days and waisted nites.

  Freddy fender.

  That's a good chice. Pretty well sums it up.
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  What song or line from a song bests describes your time as a JW?????

  by karter in

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  waisted days and waisted nites.. freddy fender..

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  panhandlegirl

  "You can't hide those lying eyes and your smile is a thin disgise. I thought by now,you'd realize, there ain't no way to hide your lying eyes." EAGLES.

  First one that came to mind.

  "You can check out anytime, but you can never leave." Hotel California/ EAGLES.

  "He can't even run his own life. I'll be damed if he'll run mine" From Sunshine.
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  Pascal's Wager, Best Answer I Have Heard

  by Diest in

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  many of us have heard of pascal's wager.

  basically that you can bet on god and receive an infinite reward, or you can bet against him and live an easier life for 80 years.

  this guy proves that the wager is really misstated.. .

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  panhandlegirl

  I watched the video and it made perfect sense to me. I could not find anything that he said with which I disagreed. He was articulate and gave a good argument for his understanding of not believing in God and the outcome if he did exist. Works for me.
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  Pascal's Wager, Best Answer I Have Heard

  by Diest in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  many of us have heard of pascal's wager.

  basically that you can bet on god and receive an infinite reward, or you can bet against him and live an easier life for 80 years.

  this guy proves that the wager is really misstated.. .

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  panhandlegirl

  I haven't watched the video yet but my thinking is that what is,is. No one knows if there is a God or not. No on knows what happens after death, but what is,is already established. If, as Pascal's Wager states (from memory), If I believe in God and he does not exist, I haven't lost anything.If I don't believe and he does exist, well I will have to deal with that and the consequences of not believing. If I believe and he does exist, maybe it will turn out well for me. That is not the reason I believe that there is an intelligent Being behind creation, but the Wager sounds good to me and I don't lose anything from believing.