what was your crisis of conscience, moment of clarity, epiphany or realization?
i am so interested in what got you thinking.
blessing to you,.
You young people have shown so much more guts than some of us older ones that it gives me reason for hope that maybe we can defeat this loathsome organization. Those of us who never knew anything else but the Borg stayed in too long thinking we would live forever in paradise. What a joke!! Thanks to the Internet I now know I am not the only one who thinks this org is a lying org who does not have any connection with God.
PHG
what was your crisis of conscience, moment of clarity, epiphany or realization?
i am so interested in what got you thinking.
blessing to you,.
My crisis of conscience happened in Spain after being counselled by an elder against helping African boat people (refugees, mainly women with babies).
I was told not to offer material help but only Bible Studies as they might come into the truth for the wrong reasons.
I cannot imagine anyone counseling you aganist helping those in need. In my opinion, material help is as important as spiritual help. How can you appricate spiritual help when you are hungery, in danger of losing your present life, or in need of other material help!! The borg's thinking just does not conicide with what Jesus taught or critical thinking.
PHG
what was your crisis of conscience, moment of clarity, epiphany or realization?
i am so interested in what got you thinking.
blessing to you,.
The main thing was the statement that only the 144,000 had a Mediator. I felt that if I did not have Jesus as a my Mediator, I had nothing. I did not agree with that belief because I did not feel it was supported by the Bible. After reading "Crisis of Conscience" and learning that I was not the only one the disagreed with the org regarding the belief about Jesus being the Mediator of only the 144,000, I lost all confidence in the org. After that, I no longer trusted anything the org had to say, so I started comunicating with others who had left the borg and learned more about how the borg was not in line with the Bible. I am so glad I had the brains to leave,although I have paid a high price for that decision. I am an outcast, no one in my family has spoken to me since 1982 except for once at my mother's (a JW) funeral and another to yell at me for calling them to tell them to keep out of my personal business. Now, I am fine, although I wish I had a relationship with my family, I realize it will never happen.I am just thankful that left the borg before my children got baptized. We, my two children and I, are out and doing well.
PHG
http://www.jwstruggle.com/2013/07/bethel-layoffs-reveal-a-kingdom-without-clothes/.
despite everything, i still have a lingering admiration toward those who serve or have served in bethel.
it is not that i believe it is gods organization in any way, shape, or form.
I have only read the first page of reponses but I agree with LHG and Steve2. We all have to be responsible for ourselves and our decisions. Those of us who have been df'd for being wise enough to leave the organization have also suffered by being shunned by all our JW family members,including former and current Bethelites. Although, I am digusted by the treatment of those who have been laid-off by the organization, they made a choice just as those of us who left made a choice. We have all been mistreated by this org. I can only hope that somehow,someway the org pays for all the misery they have caused so many people.
Panhandlegirl
now that i am really "awake" at the assemblies i pay more attention to what the borg's traveling enforcers say and the talk he gave was some "new light" on 2 thess.
1:8 (probably his opinion).
paraphrased " there is a thinking that has crept in somehow in the minds of some brothers over the years that because jehovah is a merciful &loving god he will not destroy those who have not been reached with the good news in different parts of the world or my family or bible studies need just a little more time, well they need to read this script.. .
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about a month ago, i wrote a post about a sister that keeps coming to my apartment giving me watchtowers.
i called her an older sister.
she is in her late 50's.
I remember when I thought 30 was old. "Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end." When people make fun of my age, I just say
"You should be so lucky to get to be my age." I know I feel fortunate to still be alive and well. One's view of age and being old is relative. I'm sure people
would view being 60's as young. Most of us "of a cetain age" are not offended because we remember being young. Enjoy it. It goes by fast!
Panhandlegirl.
i have updated a site of mine, jwfacts.mobi, which has a few articles from jwfacts.com, but better designed for smart phones.
on it i am going to include a few polls, and need people to answer them so that there are some intial numbers for the graphs.. please go to jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive and answer any that are relevant.
it should only take a minute.
Done.
Panhandlegirl.
just came across an interesting study.
during brain scans, when people were asked how they felt about something, the same part of the brain was active as when they were asked how god felt about something.
when asked how other people felt about something, however, a different part of the brain was at work.. specifically, the portion of the brain that was active when asking people how god felt about things was the portion of the brain associated with self-referential thinking.... people are literally making god up in their own image as they go.
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during the last three to four months, i have spent a great deal of time sinking my teeth into various critical biblical commentaries and lexicons.
naturally, after beginning to research "the truth about the truth" one of the most commonplace yet controversial arguments revolve around the "gentile times" doctrine (i.e.
the application of the seven times of daniel 4 from 607 b.c.e.
MARKED.
merry xmas to you all!.
i have just set up my first real fir xmas tree at home after 7 years out.
it was a great experience.
Michelle, what a delicious looking Christmas tree! I love real Christmas trees although I did not put one up this year but will be celebrating and giving gifts.
MERRY Christmas to All!
