okay, so i was at the ministry school/service meeting last night (as to why and all that see my answer to blondies watchtower review this week), which actually was not totally horrendous since i brought some essay questions to work on for a university class im taking.
i probably looked so theocratic (hehehe).
so during the service meeting theres a part on bad association, being careful at school, at work, blah blah blah.
Estee:
So in Saskatoon you were Jezebel? That cold, wind-swept prairie land must have frozen their brains.
In ancient times men could take as booty any women of the lands they conquered and it was all fine and dandy. The Hebrews as a whole were a murderous, vengeful bunch and IMHO women didn't stand much chance of finding happiness in that sort of society. Kind of reminds me of the Taliban /
...as two nice jws (woman and her grandson, about 13 it appeared) just departed my property (i've got to get that fence soon!).
i am so proud of myself!!
{{{{{{{ hugs skally }}}}}}} .
Congratulations! I'm so happy you were able to "witness" as thoroughly as you did. I'd love to hear the questions the boy had for his grandmother!
Do you think they'll be avoiding your place from now on ? haha
come to find out, the things i was telling people about the products we were selling were lies.
i am not comfortable lying to people to sell a product.
i really don't like being lied to and then finding out later most everything i was told to do was bs.
This is what Basics posted once about having a sense of well-being:
My sense of well being basically comes from being able to think for myself and taking responsibility for my own actions.
Taking responsibility? Taking a pot shot and running to hide? Not getting to know someone, through their posts, about what kind of hell they've been through and how they've pulled themselves through it? You have a sense of well-being? Thinking for yourself? Come on!!!!!
i found this site by luck and it is very nice.
i'm from belgium and i have a big problem so i hope you could help me :.
my father converted to jw when i was one year old.
xcham: il est presque minuit ici, dans l'est du Canada, alors je tenterai de répondre plus amplement demain. Est-ce que ton père est au courant de l'hypocrisie des témoins, par exemple leur appartenance à l’Organisation des Nations Unies, organization dé noncée à maintes reprises par les témoins dans leur littérature, mais à laquelle la Société Watchtower appartenait pendant plus de dix ans? Il y a beaucoup de choses semblables, cachées pour la plupart des membres de la Watchtower, mais qui fait que c’est une organization plus hypocrite que les religions condamdnées par les témoins.
si tu veux m'envoyer un courriel, c'est [email protected]
i was wondering as i have been lately; did i turn my back on god and am i wrong for turning my back on the organization?.
are there any of you out there that feel like you have a real personal relationship with god with or without religion in your life?
do you still call god jehovah?
Sandy:
I've done exactly as you've done - prayed and agonized, wondering what was wrong with me, why didn't I feel close to Jehovah, begged and begged him to help, and all this while I was a JW in good standing (they still think I am !) Guess whta answer I received ? Nothing. No calm, no peace, just more of the same. Maybe it was because I was trying to go through the organization rather than to God directly, I don't know.
I do know that lately the times I've felt most at peace have been when I've been reading and meditating on other religious writings, i.e. Tao or Buddhism. So what does prove? Does God want me involved in those religions? I don't think so, but if there is a god/spirit/creator out there, maybe we need to reach him/it each in the way that fits us individually. I know that's anathema to the Governing Body, because they would have us use them and only them as the way to get to know God. Which is why so many JWs are stressed, sick, rude, depressed and sometimes downright hateful. There is no peace of God permeating that organization; if there had been, I would have felt it, as would all the others who have made the break or are in the midst of doing so.
If you want to read a good book, try Eric Hoffer's "True Believer". I've just finished reading it through twice. Although not particularly about religions, the parallels with the WTS are incredible and it will answer many of your questions about the seeming unity/efficiency/doctrinal certainty that exists in Watchtower land, as well as why you are feeling the way you do right now. If you're a Star Trek fan, remember the Borg, and how getting disconnected from the collective was totally unsettling, like being thrown into a void? You're starting to make your way through that void, but the good news is that your true being, your true humanity, is trying to make its way to the fore. Be patient and let it happen. You probably will be very pleased at the person that develops.
i once had a guy answer the door naked, and i laughed my butt off... you?
I posted this on another thread awhile back. I was attacked by geese doing rural territory once.
Another time we were invited in by an older woman so we go in to her apartment, sit down, then she locks the door, pulls the drapes and starts telling us about how she has Jesus with her there in the apartment, he'd do stuff for her like help her out of the bath tub 'cause she couldn't manage it on her own, etc. For two naïve, 19 year olds fresh from the rurals we were positive the demons were going to hold us as ransom!
Another woman listened to our spiel, then said "now that I've listened to your message you have to listen to mine", and showed us pictures of the UFO's she'd been in contact with. She not only saw them, but was invited inside (she had hand-made drawings of the "engine room" or whatever it was called) and the aliens, much more advanced than humans, told her she was chosen to declare their message of peace. They knew how to solve war here on earth and it was her destiny to tell the world leaders. So, she'd write letters to various Prime Ministers and Presidents. Oddly enough, she never received any responses.
Must have been a demon-infested area I was preaching in!!!
i found this site by luck and it is very nice.
i'm from belgium and i have a big problem so i hope you could help me :.
my father converted to jw when i was one year old.
Si tu parles français, quelqu'uns ici le parle aussi. Tu pourras m'envoyer un message (à côté de mon nom) si tu veux que je te réponde en français pendant que les autres te répondent en anglais.
I'm still going to the occasional meeting, but what made me doubt was the lack of love shown by JWs, yet they preach that they are the only true disciples of Christ who show love to one another. When I did more research (thanks in part to this site) I was angry at how JWs interpret the Bible for their own convenience. It's almost like what the Taliban did to the Koran.
Many Witnesses are sincere, but blind to what is really going on and they are so busy trying to measure up to the standards set for them by the Watchtower society that they have no time to examine things for themselves.
How do you feel about religion? Glad you're here. Bienvenue!
just wanna take a little diversion from the current events happening.
i'm watching my favorite old movie of all time right now.
"on the waterfront" with marlon brando.
Adam:
12 Angry Men. Excellent drama, riviting dialogue, no reliance whatsoever on set or effects. Just good writing.
Ditto – my feelings also
Sidney Poitier – I absolutely loved this movie he was in with Anne Bancroft, it was basically just the two of them in dialogue for the whole movie, and it was spellbinding. He played a volunteer at a suicide help line, and Bancroft was the suicide victim. I saw it a long time ago and would love to rent/buy it but I can’t remember the blinking name – anybody else know which one I’m referring to?
Katherine Hepburn – Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner, African Queen are my two favourite Hepburn movies
Bogie and Bacall
Bogie by himself (Treasure of the Sierra Madre – great movie)
Wuthering Heights (Olivier/Merle Oberon – I think) – sobbed like a baby
Marx Brothers – A Night at the Opera
Casablanca, naturally
My Fair Lady
Wizard of Oz (I love the effects they were able to achieve at that time, without the computer simulations and everything we have now)
James Stewart – Harvey and Mr. Smith Goes to Washington my two favourite Stewart movies
but my all-time favourite is probably Singing in the Rain
so much to choose from!!
come to find out, the things i was telling people about the products we were selling were lies.
i am not comfortable lying to people to sell a product.
i really don't like being lied to and then finding out later most everything i was told to do was bs.
((((Jes)))) your honesty is worth more than that sick job!! Don't worry, hon, I'm rooting for you. Get some rest this weekend, have a bubble bath, watch the sunset, then give it your all next week.
(my offer of martinis is still on!)
if you weren't quite sure how jehovah god expects you to dress, the april 2003 km helps us to see his viewpoint.
"well-arranged dress shows reverence for god" is the article that assists us to know god's feelings on these matters.
i will give you some quotes from the article: "soon we will have the privilege of being jehovah's guests at the 2003 ' give god glory' disctrict convention.
Min: you just gave me a good reason not to attend the Thursday night meeting next week ... or the week after ... or ....
