i realise the title of this thread will come as no surprise to many of you.
i've certainly heard before of subtle variations between extracts from the watchtower library and the actual printed literature.. what i didn't expect was to find this openly admitted to in the license agreement for the watchtower library, where it says in article 4:.
4. limited warranty.
Thank you for posting that, RayPublisher.
I've noticed similar stuffs in various Watchtower publication. For that reason, I no longer discard any WT magazines or books. How else are we going to prove their writings made in Watchtower articles without original printed copies? All Watchtower has to do is omitting any incriminating comments from CD-Rom as they go and will accuse apostates for adding them in.
http://www.bit.ly/jwleaks-anonymous.
hello citizens of the world.
we are anonymous.. dear brothers and sisters,.
Pig, I have a question for you.
"Were Foot soliders of Hitler guilty or innocent?"
When my child was molested by the Jehovah's Witness serial rapist/pedophile(there are at least 3 victims of his that I personally know of, age 13-14), it was us, victim and victim's family, who were witch hunted by the local elders and had gone through the Hell of 'Religious Inqusition.' I can't even describe in words all the suffering and persecution that we endured by the elders and the 2 Circuit Overseers. Do you know how it all started and processed? It was motivated by Rank and File of JWs's blind obidence and loyalty toward their elders. All the lies, malicious slanderings, vicious gossipping, you name it! Jehovah's witnessess, as a whole, are guilty of crime of condoning and obstructing the justice!
Jamesmahon, there are always some innocent people behind bar in all crimes.
I posted this on the ohter thread. In the US, I was told by the DCFS(Division of Children and Family Service), only 20 some percent(don't remember exact number) of victims eventually report sexual crimes and only 4 % of them will be prosecuted. The main reason for that is a social stigma. Usually victims will be blamed and humiliated not to mention long and emotional draining process of legal procedure. You might want to remember that there are 1000s of 1000s victims are suffering without any justice while protecting criminals in the name of protecting potential few wrong conviction as you have mentioned.
hello folks,.
fortunately, i'm able to have a frank conversation with my brother and he, who was already showing some doubts about the organization, got visibly upset when he saw the videos about bulgaria and onu ... .
especially about the bulgaria case, he said that perhaps the document could not be authentic, but invented .. i was speechless, because although i'm sure, i never found any official evidence unless the note published in the jw-media or others "apostate" sites.. finally, after searching, i found the official link of the decision of the european court of human rights in bulgaria case, where the watchtower clearly says not to apply any form of control or sanction for members who opt to choose medical treatment contrary to the doctrines of jehovah's witnesses in order to obtain legal recognition as a religion in the country (prostituting like babylon the great).. linkfrom the official websiteof the european courtof human rights bellow:.
Wow, thank you so much! I am not familiar with Sebastian case. Would you care to share about the case?
i was just thinking that out of the 200 jws that i actually know, at least 4 of them to my knowledge are pedophiles.
i know for a fact, through personal confidences.
that means, as far as my circle of jovo friends/acquaintances goes, 2% of them are kiddy fiddlers.. without mentioning names or details, how many do you know of for a certainty to be pedos, and what percentage does it work out at, considering all your circle of jovo friends?.
There are always some innocent people behind the bar in all crimes.
Did you know that according to the study (in the US, I believe it was done by the government agency. I was told by the social worker at DCFS. I had been counseld by her for about 2 years) that only 20 some percent of the sexual crime victims eventually report the crime? And only 4% of the reported crimes will have their day in court. I was told prosecuting and convicting sexual criminals are the hardest case in the criminal justice. The pedophile who molested mine was never even arrested. Although there were total 3 victims of his that we know of. The Body of elders destroyed the evidence of his crimes and at the end we, victim and victims family, got punished instead.
(I may have to contact the social worker in the coming week for the copy of the study if anyone would like to confirm the information)
im kind of new here.
i was a former member of this site, a little over a year ago.
had planned on writing a backstory of what happened in the past year but decided to keep it simple.
Welcome back, Seth!
I am sorry for the all the trouble you have gone through.
Looking forward to hear your story.
i was just thinking that out of the 200 jws that i actually know, at least 4 of them to my knowledge are pedophiles.
i know for a fact, through personal confidences.
that means, as far as my circle of jovo friends/acquaintances goes, 2% of them are kiddy fiddlers.. without mentioning names or details, how many do you know of for a certainty to be pedos, and what percentage does it work out at, considering all your circle of jovo friends?.
7 total. 4 convicted pedos(1elder. 3 publishers). 2 was concealed by elders(2 publishers). And a JW woman who molested her own granddaughter. I read the letter that was wrote by the granddaughter to my friend. It was sad and shocking!
Out of all 7, only 2 got disfellowshipped and 1(an elder who raped all his 5 daughters and has been in the prison since mid 90's) was reinstated.
My own was victimized by one of these pedophiles.
Fleaman uk, that's over 3 percent counting publishers of 225 from 2 congregations. You got to remember too that these 7 are not the total numbers but the ones that I only personally know of. So, where's your claim of "23% are made up" come from?
Oh, another thing, I only knew 1, an elder pedophile who raped all his daughter, for all those time while attending the same congregation for 18 years. I learned about the other 6 only after my own was victimized. That really opened my eyes. I personally verifed and spoke with either victims or family of victims in all 7 cases. Fleaman, I am glad this hasn't happened to your family.
what happened to the watchtower society's emphasis on learning your bible, developing a stronger doctrinal foundation and providing talks that were relevant in peoples lives?
previous threads have questioned the lack of discussion/debate young or old witnesses will engage at your door.
the solution lies in the down sizing of deep bible based talks, real substance discussed at meetings has gone away.
Not only do they not give you tools, they actually take tools away from you. Tools, essential to go about basic human needs namely, housing, education, employment, human dingnity, pursuit of happiness, etc.
Two points I brought home with me from a recent Circuit Overseer's visiting:
1. When elders ask you to do something that doesn't make any sense, you do it without question. You don't need to know why.(Yes, I am not kidding. That's exactly what he said and I took note.)
2. Less you know better you will be. It's all lie.(regarding internet and information. We had a CO in early May, pre-Candace Conti verdict. I finally appreciate Watchtower's propaganda on this particular talk prepared by the Governning Body.)
When was the last time have I heard the scriptural sermon at the Kingdom Hall? I was telling my husband the other day that I need to do something quick in order to regain the faith. It may be too late. I lost most, if not all, faith in God from repeatedly hearing the utter garbage from the KH.
I agree with Doc. You are giving Watchtower way too much credit. It's twisted mind controlling at its best. Beyond sad.
as some of you know, i am employed as master of whisky for seattle (pac nw).
i represent diageo n america's whisk(e)y portfolio.. this includes: johnnie walker, the classic malts of scotland, bushmills irish whiskey, crown royal, bulleit bourbon and rye whiskey, george dickel tennessee whisky, and bucchanan's blended scotch whisky.. my job basically involves speaking publicly about the whiskies, hosting and presenting whisk(e)y tastings and dinners, and educating bar & restaurant staff about whisk(e)y. tough gig, i know.. my mow bio & pic can be found on crown royal's website here: http://www.crownroyal.com/west-masters/breck-taylor.
i was thinking about putting a featured whisky of the week up here every friday.
What's different between Rum and Wisky?
I am a wine drinker. I am assuming wine(red wine) has more carloies than hard liquors. Am I right?
as some of you know, i am employed as master of whisky for seattle (pac nw).
i represent diageo n america's whisk(e)y portfolio.. this includes: johnnie walker, the classic malts of scotland, bushmills irish whiskey, crown royal, bulleit bourbon and rye whiskey, george dickel tennessee whisky, and bucchanan's blended scotch whisky.. my job basically involves speaking publicly about the whiskies, hosting and presenting whisk(e)y tastings and dinners, and educating bar & restaurant staff about whisk(e)y. tough gig, i know.. my mow bio & pic can be found on crown royal's website here: http://www.crownroyal.com/west-masters/breck-taylor.
i was thinking about putting a featured whisky of the week up here every friday.
I just had 2 shots of ' Captain Morgan Private Stock.' It's so smooth! I am ready for Karaoke.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18770328#g1a39h1.68w80.74c167 .
my life has to change pretty quickly!
!.
My BMI is 22. Creepy thing is I am to be a Vietnamese. That's pretty darn close guessing!
Interestingly when I lowered 2 lbs, I am an African. That tells a lot about their malnourshed condition. (I am not by any means)
Omg! My daughter is from Vietnam as well. Creepy!
