I can only imagine what DF'ed man has gone through, not to condone what he did though.
I myself want to beat the crap out of a few elders!.......Nah, they are not worth my attention.
this story happened in my hometown in a hall i helped build years ago.
its no wonder this sort of thing happens, this guy was probably desperate and vunerable when he got df'd.
no pity for this stupid elder, but the poor kids.
I can only imagine what DF'ed man has gone through, not to condone what he did though.
I myself want to beat the crap out of a few elders!.......Nah, they are not worth my attention.
the question i have is, should i even bother?
i am not even sure why he wants to watch this particular video.
ive already seen it with my wife a few days ago and already seen how they leave a lot of details out concerning their teachings of old.
Oops! leavingwt, you posted yours while I was working on mine. I didn't mean to steal your comment.
the question i have is, should i even bother?
i am not even sure why he wants to watch this particular video.
ive already seen it with my wife a few days ago and already seen how they leave a lot of details out concerning their teachings of old.
Garyneal, Is he a pioneer? Well, regardless I am sure he is trying to get some service time in with you. Anytime JW approach non-JW relatives, family members, they have one and olny purpose in mind that is to preach and get service time in. I would take it as an opportunity to help them to awake if I were you.
Regarding 1919, there will be no 1919 without 1914 and 607BCE. There are some great informations on these topics you can research on this site if you are not familiar with 1919 or 1914 and 607 BCE. I would print some of the findings that are particularly from the WT's old publications and you are ready to go. There's also a great information on this topic in COC as well.
You may want to let him know that you are giving him a benefit of doubt and being patient with him which he in return demonstrate such qualities with you. After all he hasn't yet answered your last question on blood doctrin.
this question is really for elders or ex-elders (or ministerial servants in the know).... did you find that some elders would tend to "white-wash" the true state of the congregation when they had their sit-down with the co every 6 months?.
did some elders feel pressure to hide certain things from a co for fear of being "removed" from the boe?.
(judging by the "fakeness" that some elders displayed during co visits, i have to wonder whether they were really worried about being removed for not seeking out inactives or encouraging more participation during the wt study, book study or fs...).
The Coodinator of BOE engaged in spreding a melicious slandering against publisher(s). The BOE covered up for COBOE to an investigating CO. At the end COBOE got puffed up and was rewarded with the assembly parts and his helpless inocent victim(s) got DF'ed. His victims' offense?-being Rank & File. No one, including a CO, even approached R & F of his/her side stroy.
Now this same COBOE is in trouble with another R & F on the same issue, a malicious slandering. He will be fine. The BOE will cover him up again. The CO is bascially being playing in the hands of the BOE. The GB is rely on the COs' report. The poor R & F will keep on waiting for 'Jehovah to take care of the matter'
Besides, to name a few more of dishonesty/tactic of BOE:
setting up last minute 'pioneer assistant' program or approving anyone and everyone, including a pedephile, for axuillary and regular pioneering to shine the record or manuplating meeting attandance or sharing the half made up truth and leaving the other real truth(=out right lie) on the issues or buying out CO with good wine, food, shopping, money, vacation package.......
littlerockguy, those fruits and vegitables look yummy.
Blond-moment, that sushi looks soooooo good!
just wondering if anyone knows if there will be any earth shattering information at it or will it just be a rehash of the same old nonsense..
So was my husband. I told him not to take too seriously to the current true that's being told at the assembly. He will be DFed for believing what's being told today if he still believe in 5 years later or sooner. The offense?-Brazen Conduct!
when i checked the wtlib cd-rom, i noticed that henry grew and georg storrs were mentioned only 5 times each from 1950 - 1999. then at once from 2000 onwards, both get more than 50 hits.
why is it that they are now portrayed together with russel as the founding fathers of the faith?
is russel so much of a problem to the gb 2.0 that they have to put 2 others in front of him to deviate the attention?
In desperate effort in filling in the missing chains of the WTS authenticity
w1/15, 2012 p.7,8 claims
(the GB to Charls T Russel)-George Storrs(1796-1879)-Henry Grew(1781-1862)-William Tyndale(1494-1536)-John Wycliffe(1330-1384)- Pierre(or Peter) Waldo(12th Century)-Peter of Bruys, Henry of Lausanne (early to mid 12th Century)-Archadeacon Berengarius of Tours, France(11th Century)-Archbishop Agobard of Lyons, France(779-840)-the 1st Century Anointed Christians -Christ
It's interesting the WTS comparing Storrs and Grew(False prophets who predicted 1779, 1874, 1879, 1914) with Tyndale, Wycliffe, Waldo,...(martyrs) and Christ, only mediator between men & God. Yet, JWs reject Christ' mediatorship and look up the GB for their salvation.
Poor Rank & File have to subject themselves to such schemes!
my mother has the c.o staying and told her the new zealand bethel is about to be closed and the land and buildings sold.. .
karter..
I wonder the WT$ is liquidating all of these realestate through out the world while they are still in control.
The way how things are going with the WT$ I won't be suprise to see some of the branches will splint away from the WT$ Headquater which happened when Cold War collasped in late 80'. Huge numbers of JWs from eastern Europe including Russia under the former USSR rejected the ever changed WT$' apostacy doctrins and went on on their own. Of course the WT$ never published any of these developements in the Year Book or the magazins. ( There's the thread on this topic that says, 'why so many splinter groups of Jehovah's Witnessess..' or something like that)
Has anyone here read the thread on 'Menlo Park Elder Tells..' ? (The WT$ apparantly has illegaly tried to take over this KH which worth 2-3 million dollar and in the process removed entire BOE who didn't cooperate with the WT$ and currently legal disputes going on between the WT$ v the Former Elders. )
whilst under watchtower influence i had little interest or awareness in these areas.. now they have become a passion.. i wonder if it has something to do with the "cult identity or self" versus the "authentic identity or self" as outlined by steven hassan in the "interacting with dual identities" chapter of his book "releasing the bonds - empowering people to think for themselves".. who has had a similar experience and/or change of career related to unplugging from the watchtower?.
or a story to tell?.
I become an animal rescuer. I adopted my dog(my very first dog ever) about 7 months ago from a local shelter. I am also fostering dogs from the local No Kill Animal Shelther. My first 2 foster dogs were adopted by wonderful families and I am helping to find home for my 3 rd dog currently. I am bascially turned into a dog lady.
This might not big a deal for many people but it is for me. See, all my life especially as a JW, I disliked and scared of dogs and cats. As a JW(for 25 years) I had neither heart nor time for so called wordly people and their affair, let alone for animal. I spend most of my free time in caring my dogs and involving in animal adoption events. My daughter & I volunteer at a local soup kitchen also. I finally feel like contributing myself in the community.
I was a full time pioneer for 15 years for nothing. What a waste!!
this deserved its own thread.
one thing i have observed being able to speak freely to individuals now about the wtbts is that even though they fade, they hold one to all or a portion of the doctrine.. if you examine the doctrine openly and fully you will see it has as many holes in it as the org does.
although it may appeal to you it doesn't make it sound scripturally.
Dogpatch said, ....'As investingation continues Franz may have been far worse'...
That's exactly what I have come to the conclusion from my a reletively short time reserch. It looks like Knorr was a more business man but Fred Franz was a true cult leader who is behind most of the WT$ doctrin even from the Rutherford reign.
Freddie makes Jim Jones look like a Junior High.
What really frighten me is the current GB. Everything that come out of their publications, talks, letters, elders book, new polices, etc. are bad to worse. These guys make Freddie a Junior High in my opinion.