Posts by blindnomore

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so oompa got df'd this week...

by oompa in

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no call to invite me to a committee meeting...no notification of deciding i should be df'd....no telling my jw wife of the announcement...not a chance to appeal what i did not even know what was going on...my mini-serve son is devasted....he even researched it....told me to go to page 153-154 of the od book...never heard of it but it is a green hardback given to all who are to be baptized.

wow...the elders broke every rule in this book as to my case.... i have no respect for these men that can take away your jw family without even telling you they are going to.

my jw son has now begged me to meet with my committee...even though there is prob zero chance they can reverse the decision...that chance is from when they let you know...and you have to appeal by letter within 7 days (i cant make this stuff up!!

blindnomore

Oompa, I had no idea this is what you went through. I posted on another thread that JWs will trun into Manson's girls if the GB order them to. You will trully appreciate my point Only if you actually had tasted a fraction of their unbelivable cruel potential in the name of the Governing Body!

It is disturbingly a dangerous cult!

If any one out there believing the Watchtower won't DA/DF you for receiving blood transfusion. Pleas read this thread! The borg may have claimed one thing but I tell you as one who have not missed JWs meetings more than 2 dozen times in last 25 years, the borg has not changed their principle stance on this Jim Jones level doctrine.

It porbably has to do with legal reasons, if anything, for the explaination of different outcome on this doctrine by the Borg.

The Watchtower will say anything shamelessly as they go if it benefit and protect them. And the borg cowardly turn around beat the crap out of you for not abiding their rules for 100% and fail to show your complete obedience to their authority for 100%. That's what coward bully do. The bully brown nose to someone bigger and yet pick on those smaller than he is.

I hope you are having better days, Opmpa.

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Elder and Elderette- Jehovah Witnesses Who Renounce Their Parents, Do Ex-JWs And Fader's Pick Up Their Slack?

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

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how many stories do you know of where outstanding elders and elderettes abandon their jw practicing or non practicing parents?

the watchtower society's representives don't seem to mind, as long as the elders and eldettes apply their love to watchtower party middle management.. what is meant by this, if you tell your parents "what i have that you might get benefit from, is corban, it's dedicated to watchtower "men of fame", so screw off mom and dad!

" i will acheive more glory by helping the circuit overseer or district overseer, they will glorfy me in front of my congregation!".

blindnomore

I have one.

Tom and Pam are in their 80's and living in a assistant living. They are members of a local JW congregation.

They have 4-5 grown children along with many grandchildren. Among their family are included active, inactive and non JWes. Some lives in town some out of states. They are both very ill and infirm. They have local witnesses visiting them from time to time while they were out service so that they can count their service time. No one visit them any other time.

Except this old friends, a DF'ed JW couple. In fact this couple are Tom & Pam's only primary, emergency contact. The couple who both work full time take elderly JWs to their doctors' appointment, errands, dinning out, inviting home for home cook meal, etc. Besides, check on the elderly JWs 2-3 times weekly.

The local congregation didn't have any problem shunning this DF'ed couple but do not have any problem the couple taking care of their own. This erderly JWs have extended family serving an elder, pioneers,(all with no children to take care of) in the local congregation. None of these JWs family are never availble to take care of the older couple. Even the coordinator of BOE knew whole situation including the DF'ed couple being only emergency contact number for their own elderly JWs and yet he could care less as long as he did not have to do it.

Sometimes this DF'ed couple couldn't accomodate their working schedule to elderly JW's doctor appointments that they contact the coodinator for assistance. The coodinator never return their phone calls and leave it all as if their own elderly JWs are this DF'ed couple's responsibility only. The one of the DF'ed couple have to leave job site in last minute without a choice in order to take this poor folks to their appointment while the elderly's own family sit around home(they are all either selfemployed or part time workers) or aimlessly driving around the territory out service.

In the meantime the elderly couple and DF'ed couple become like family. (under any other senario this elderly couple would have been witch hunted by BOE for associating with DF'ed. Remember 92 year old JW got DF'ed in one of the Ray Franz' book?)

What a sad situation!

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An article on shunning that really started the wheels turning

by sd-7 in

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it was the september 1, 2006 watchtower, page 17, "when a loved one leaves jehovah".

it was this quote i found upsetting:.

it has become harder and harder to sit at christian meetings and see parents laughing and talking with their children, says louise.

blindnomore

The Shunning policy is denying your very own basic human needs.

It is only natural to interact and contact your mother, father, children, grandchildren, sister, brother......and friend.

Who the h*** are you telling me I cant see my own kids or parants,.......................................................................................................?

sd-7, I wish I was more aware of things like you had. Good for you!

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Who like jehovah witness?I don't for sure!

by witchtowerwitch in

they won't give you the sweat off of there balls!.

blindnomore

I gave up paradise when I realized I have to be with them for eternity. NO THANKS!

As far as I am concerning they are a lot more than brain washed. They will turn into Manson's girls if they were order by the GB. Sadly I am saying this from personal experiences.

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Blood Policy: Punishment?

by garbonzo in

i have no idea what happens to those who take blood transfusions.

this i don't think, is never made clear at the meetings.

do they get disfellowshipped or reproved or is it a conscience matter or what?.

blindnomore

Captain Obvious said, "it's technically a conscience matter for legal reasons of course."

Absolutely! We had a meeting part on this not long ago(2-3 months ago), as far as I know nothing changed.

The WTS's double policy, the public one and the inside one, seems apply to this doctrine as well.

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Please sign the petition to remove tax free status from religious cults that shun!

by garbonzo in

please sign the petition to remove tax free status from religious cults that shun!.

white house.gov petition.

http://wh.gov/er4.

blindnomore

grabonzo said, "Why defend the WTS on this matter?

I am stunned by the comment which said,"thedirection cusation of a death from refusing blood is not the WT doctrine but the individual actor".

How many time have I told that very same twisted propaganda from the Watchtower publications and the elders!

For example, it said in the 'Question from Readers' on neutrality issue that it wasn't the WTS but indivisuals made personal decision. I was hard core witness then but didn't buy it. Any sane mind could see its dishonesty BS. The WTS wasn't going to take responsibility for their actions but dumping on to their loyal followrs.

Would he have gone to prison hadn't he abused and thretened with disfellowshipping unless he abide by their polices? what is more, thousands young men unnecessarily went to the prison because the GB refused honor alternative service. Young men from all over the world wrote letters to the GB and tried to reason with GB. The GB replied back and told young men that they will be DF'ed if they take alternative. You are saying it wasn't the WT doctrine but the individual actor? Was it why young men found themselves in the prison? ( so was the case with all other doctrines, including blood doctrine. In fact the WTS has been a lot more aggressive with blood doctrine)

Why do you reasoning and talking like the GB? You willing to go that far in order to make your point?

It is person's constitutional rights petitioning to the Goverment for what he believe to be unfair.

Besides, the freedom of Religion is not 'OF' BUT ' FROM'

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Has anyone ever put a flyer / note in the donation box

by biometrics in

has anyone ever put a note / flyer in a jw donation box?or has anyone ever found one in a donation box?

what was your reaction?.

i've heard of some putting stickers in literature (before it's published).. i was thinking of dropping a few in the donation box (when i visit my elderly mother i sometimes go to the meeting).. what would be a good note?.

blindnomore

How about write $100 on a blank paper along with a note, 'fake christian deserve fake money' or 'You claim to be God's mouth piece I claim to be Mint' or 'Your Public talk and Watchtower Study deserves this'....

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LDS (Mormon) wheelers and dealers coming over tonight at 7 PST. What would you ask them?

by sabastious in

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hey jwn.

a couple of mormon missionaries came to my house last week and i invited them in.

what can i say, curiosity killed the cat.

blindnomore

Can mormon drink caffein?(answer is no then ask can mormon drink coke, mountain dew,...answer is yes, I always wanted to know the reason)

Who adopted the practice of Polygamy? Was it Joseph Smith or Brighem Young? ( I understood it was BY but told by a mormon it was JS.)

what do you think about JW?(before asking #7)

Ask about ex-communicating policy?

Do you believe Original Garden of Eden was in Missouri, USA?

What do you think of wife and children of Joseph Smith didn't go with Brigham Young along with followers when he left Missouri upon JS' death? (Precisely, current mormon, followers of BY is splinter group from Original leader, JS. JS's surving family left seperatly from BY's group and carried on the religion but remain rather as a smal group.)

Ask about 'Mountain Meadow Massacre'

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Please sign the petition to remove tax free status from religious cults that shun!

by garbonzo in

please sign the petition to remove tax free status from religious cults that shun!.

white house.gov petition.

http://wh.gov/er4.

blindnomore

BTTT

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My mother is trying to indoctrinate my 4 year old and I do not know what to do

by jwfacts in

my mother lives a plane trip away from me, so does not get to spend very much time with zac.

however, she is in sydney for 3 weeks and has been babysitting.

i knew that she would be talking about jehovah, but was very annoyed yesterday when zac said my mother was speaking all day about jehovah, such as how he made the stars.. in the past, i was not overly concerned if zac learnt about jehovah's witnesses, as i thought it would help with critical thinking skills to understand different points of view.

blindnomore

You said in your letter to your Mother that you want her to act like a normal grandmother with your son. In reality, JWs, including your mother are cult members before grandmother, grandfather, husband, wife, aunt, uncle, child, etc. That's rule #1 you shoul not forget.

Your mother will seek every opportunity to 'teach Zac the truth'. She will do it behind your back no matter what. In her mind, Zac will die at Big 'A' and will do anything to save him. It is her a god given mission. I had a friend like your mother. My friend would go out of her way to baby sit her grand children and fly to her DF'ed daughter's home whenever she can. She has a mission. As much as she cherishes her time with her grandchildren but her first and foremost goal is to teach Jehovah to them.

You would want to make very clear with your mother of your wishes. Of course that doesn't mean she will by any means stop from teaching Zac about Jehovah. You just have to accept the fact that Zac has grand parents who are highly controled cult members. It's sad but frightening reality. I say 'frightening'. I am still attending JW meetings and I see with my own eyes how rapidly they are turning into bad to worse. Their meetings have turned into from Sales Meeting to Nazi Propaganda Movement with full of hatred toward outsiders. You can only imagine what is in your mother's head after been fed by all those propaganda.

I would definitely teach him what I believe if I were you, with age appropriate reasonings along with lots and lots of love . Make sure that 'You' are his hero not grandma or Jehovah. You will be the main influence to Zac.