I was happy when I found out it was all a lie.
I didn't want to live forever with nothing but jws around me.
occasionally the enormity of it all just comes flooding back in on me.
at times it just seems so overwhelming.
at times it seems so incredibly fantastic so as to be unbelievable.
I was happy when I found out it was all a lie.
I didn't want to live forever with nothing but jws around me.
i am disfellowshipped and recently went to the kh.
i have an older brother (32 yr) who i was very close with who desperately wants me to get reinstated.
or that i can't babysit your child.
There is a wonderful place, a web site where there are ONLY QUOTES from WT literature, no commentary. You can safely direct your brother there. The quotes are designed to highlight the flip-flops in doctrine and policy. Here’s one from the "How to Treat DF/DA" category:
Link to main page:
http://www.quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com
Link to DF/DA category:
http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/DF_DA.htm
After a whole lot of articles showing complete shunning of DF/DA peeps, you come across this shocker:
*** Watchtower 1998 December 1 p.17 Defending Our Faith ***
What About Slanderous Publicity?
15 At times, Jehovah's Witnesses have been the target of distorted information in the media. For example, on August 1, 1997, a Russian newspaper published a slanderous article claiming, among other things, that Witnesses categorically require members to 'reject their wives, husbands, and parents if these do not understand and do not share their faith.' Anyone who is truly acquainted with Jehovah's Witnesses knows that the charge is false. The Bible indicates that Christians are to treat unbelieving family members with love and respect, and Witnesses endeavor to follow that direction. (1 Corinthians 7:12-16; 1 Peter 3:1-4) Even so, the article was printed, and many readers were thus misinformed. How can we defend our faith when we are falsely accused?
Ask your brother to explain that, and ask him the next time policy changes again and "allows" communication, will he apologize for all the lost time??
Also ask him when he’s going to stop being such a wuss and think for himself. JUST KIDDING DON’T SAY THAT LOL
Good luck, let us know what happens.
i am making my first trip to manhattan in october.
i'll be in manhattan on my birthday.
i am so excited.
Don't miss the Museum of Sex on 5th Avenue (no I'm not kidding!)
jehovah's witnesses.
the organisation.
i love 'em both still.
yes I do believe JWs have the truth, even to regards the blood issue. I think they have made many announcements prematurely about the "end of this system" don't you think I've surfed the internet looking as well? Its only my opinion, but I still think they have the truth as far as it is revealed up until this point in time, through the FDS
Scooby, just out of curiousity, as I asked you before.
If this is truly what you believe, why don't you go back? Why do you stay and post here at all?
And if you think "premature announcements" from Jehovah's FDS about the end of the system are so innocent, I suggest you look up some elderly JWs who are desperately trying to eke out an existence on Social Security (USA) from the government they rejected and reviled as being under Satan's control all their lives. They are now choosing between food and medicine, ultimately deciding whether to starve to death or stroke out.
They are not hard to find; they are myriads.
Is this what God's FDS is all about?
jehovah's witnesses.
the organisation.
i love 'em both still.
Scooby
I don't normally join in these threads because I don't really have the research/debate experience and knowledge that most posters who do join in have, nor do I wish to, as that is not my agenda. My agenda, as an ex-born-and-raised-jw, is to help as many people avoid the pain and heartache I went through as a member of the WTBS, multi-billion-dollar publishing company, who continues to beg for money from its uneducated members and elderly people who think maybe they can buy their ticket to the New System (TM) with their estates.
I will say this: If you think, truly think, that they have the truth, why don't you go back? Being a JW is fulfilling for many; they believe they are God's only chosen people, they alone will survive until the new system (TM) and live with vegetarian lions and people picnicking in skirts and turbans with birds (newly vegetarian also, after picking out and eating all our apostate eyes) on their shoulders. That's a lovely picture! Who wouldn't want to be part of the chosen few? I have a really nice apartment in Manhattan, maybe you'd like to live in it when I'm dead? Please feed my cats... they are innocent.
The Jewish people also think they are God's chosen people, and if you believe the Bible, they were, for thousands of years, way before the JWs were.
OH, and the Muslims (many multi-millions more than JWs) also think they are the Chosen.
You said (paraphrase) that you failed, you can't live up to it. Or some such sentiment, I'm not quoting you and I'm too lazy to go back and see. Sorry!! My bad, but I'm so tired if I go back I probably will abandon this reply.
Therein lies the dilemma; if salvation is so difficult, so troublesome that you and BILLIONS of other people can't live up to it, is it really salvation? Have you read Ephesians 2:6-9? And please don't quote me "narrow is the path..."
Go back, if you need to. It's a lifeline to many. I know lots of people for whom the organization has been a lifesaver, from drugs or abuse or other horrors.
But to go back for a crutch, something to hang onto besides your own personal growth and education, then all I can do is wish you well, and turn my attention elsewhere.
I was a high school grad in the mid-70's, who turned down full scholarships to many universities because Armageddon was "months" away. And then, when it didn't happen, the organization said I misunderstood. Now I'm getting closer to retirement, and I don't have a pension.
Good luck, Scooby.
PM me if you like.
Hugs, PurpleV
what is the stupidest thing a jw ever told you?
we all know that they say a lot of stupid things, but what really topped the cake?.
for me, it was an elder telling me i was progressing really well when my meeting attendance was down and my field service hours were slipping.
Has to be this:
That we have to go out and embarrass ourselves preach so that Jehovah's name would be vindicated because Satan was trying to "best" him.
Like God would need us to vindicate his name, he couldn't just flick his little finger and hurl one crummy upstart demon into oblivion?
Right.
"Jehovah God" is a figment of the governing body's imagination. Worshipping it is just as bad as worshipping the golden calf.
PurpleV
NYC - 10010
as my name suggests, i'm from nyc.
i've lived in every borough of new york and spent time at most of the local congregations until i finally decided that it was all for nothing (my recent posts on this forum explain why).
during this time, i noticed an interesting pattern - the jws only preach in poor to middle class neighborhoods.
NYC Apostofest? I am so there!!
as my name suggests, i'm from nyc.
i've lived in every borough of new york and spent time at most of the local congregations until i finally decided that it was all for nothing (my recent posts on this forum explain why).
during this time, i noticed an interesting pattern - the jws only preach in poor to middle class neighborhoods.
I live in NYC too. I see them a lot during rush hour in Grand Central Terminal hoping people will buy take the mags to have something to read on the subway.
I've seen them in Penn Station, and handing out WTs to students on their lunch break outside of Baruch College on Lexington Ave.
They're limited in great part to this in Manhattan, because none of them can get past the doormen!! Since most people live in apartment buildings they often can't get in there and are persecuted chased out if they do.
When I lived in Staten Island I believe all neighborhoods were worked pretty evenly. I remember my mother hated preferred not to go in car groups and would always get an individual territory and drag take me out to them by ourselves. She always tried to get the "better" neighborhoods.
Guess it just depends.
--PurpleV of the "I love my doorman" class