this file is being passed around by jehovah's witnesses concerning adjustments in understanding the 2013/7/15/watchtower.
the first draft they prepared had a typing error, and nevada sent the draft back to the jws for correction.
they corrected the typing error and sent it back to nevada.
Since the 'Wheat & Weeds' parable is being discussed today and the chart above has some things about that -
Here (see my post on this page) is some research related to Rev 14 and the parable in Matthew 13.
The Society always asserts that the "Wheat Class" represents only a tiny fragment of Christians.
this file is being passed around by jehovah's witnesses concerning adjustments in understanding the 2013/7/15/watchtower.
the first draft they prepared had a typing error, and nevada sent the draft back to the jws for correction.
they corrected the typing error and sent it back to nevada.
SloppyJoe:
I think, as they say it, only the GB is the FDS during the last days, but when time for being given "all the belongings" comes, then all 144,000 ("Anointed Christians" in WTspeak) are given them.
It is convoluted, to be sure, unless one sees it as an attempt to consolidate power and authority on the part of the GB. If seen that way, it makes alot of sense.
i was listening to arnie gundersun on fairewinds.org.
http://fairewinds.org/media/radio/olympic-insanity-gundersen-charge-fukushima.
explaining the situation at fukushima and how the .
Molybdenum:
I apologize for getting your screen name wrong. It wasn't intentional, but your name reminded me of a Clint Eastwood movie where the people were calling their town 'Molly-Be-Dam.' In thinking about it, I think I unintentionally spelled it out as your screen name.
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this file is being passed around by jehovah's witnesses concerning adjustments in understanding the 2013/7/15/watchtower.
the first draft they prepared had a typing error, and nevada sent the draft back to the jws for correction.
they corrected the typing error and sent it back to nevada.
Concerning the part about Malachi chapter 3 and the Temple cleansing, the July 7/15, 2013 WT says (p.12, par.8):
"Worse, after Brother Russell's death in October 1916, opposition arose from inside the organization. Four of the seven directors of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society rebelled against the decision to have Brother Rutherford take the lead. They tried to cause division among the brothers, but in August 1917, they left Bethel - a cleansing indeed!"
Here is a Wikipedia article on this topic.
And here is the JWN search page with numerous returns on this subject for any desiring to compare.
JWGoneBad:
The part of the chart that you highlighted (concerning Daniel 12:3 and Matthew 13:43) is interesting. It appears to indicate that those two verses are talking about two different things. But the wording between the two is too similar. I think most commentators would agree that Jesus had to have been alluding to Dan. 12:3 in Mt 13:43.
Also, the description of the resurrection in Dan 12:2 (following the mention of a unique "time of distress") closely matches how Jesus described the resurrection in John 5:28, 29. Unfortunately, for the Society, they hold that the resurrection of Dan. 12:2 was something that took place (figuratively) in 1918/19. Thus, this 'new light' forces Dan 12:3 and Mt 13:43 to be different "activities."
Atlantis:
Thank you for the charts!
i was listening to arnie gundersun on fairewinds.org.
http://fairewinds.org/media/radio/olympic-insanity-gundersen-charge-fukushima.
explaining the situation at fukushima and how the .
Molybdedam:
In Revelation 11:18 it says that God will " bring to ruin those ruining the earth"
Revelation 11:18, "those ruining the earth," isn't directly related to pollution. Modern day pollution does make the verse easy to use for that, as if the Bible specifically prophesied about that. However the phrase is more likely an allusion to Jer 51:25 and Gen 6:11 and to moral corruption.
The same word is used in: Lk 12:33; 2Co 4:16; 1Ti 6:5; Rev 8:9. None of which refer to land, sea or air pollution.
The Greek word used in Rev 11:18 is a derivative of phtheiro (used in 1Co 3:17; 15:33; 2Co 7:2; 11:3; Eph 4:22; 2Pe 2:12; Jud 1:10; Rev 19:2), referring to moral pollution.
Admittedly, ecological pollution is, in many cases, related to bad morals. This is why I said 'not directly' above. But the Society uses the verse as if its only meaning was in connection with ecological pollution.
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Ann:
"Nope"
Thanks. I can strike that off my list of speculations.
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in the very first paragraph, matthew 13:38 is to be read - "the field is the world; as for the fine seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; but the weeds are the sons of the wicked one..".
jesus speaks of only two groups, so if you accept the wtbts "anointed" doctrine, then if you haven't got the "heavenly hope", then you've got no hope!.
simply put, there aren't any 'other sheep' members of jesus' "one flock" mentioned, unless of course theyare also "sons of the kingdom", but of course, that would be ridiculous!!.
Searcher:
In connection with Revelation 5:9, 10 -
I wonder if we might have been influenced by the Society too much. The tendency is to link these verses only with the 144,000 mentioned in chapter 7 and 14.
But 5:9, 10 has verbal echos to Exodus 19:6 (which was a national assignment, not a levitical or Aaronic assignment) as well as Daniel 7, where 'the holy ones are given the kingdom.' (same as the sheep in Mt 25)
If you just read verse 9, it would describe all Christians, not just a small segment of them. Note how 7:15 describes the great crowd performing priestly or levitical duties.
Verse 10 might be describing all Christians who would, collectively, 'rule over the earth.'
The "over" (epi) would not necessarily be describing location as much as position (as in authority). Compare the same use of epi in Rev 9:11 where it is used of position 'over' rather than 'upon.'
Another thing that skews the understanding is the NWT's proclivity for rendering Basileuo (#936) as 'reign as kings.' This is not unique. Some other translations render 5:10 this way, but most do not (See here). It can mean being a king. But it can also have the idea of being predominent in, say, a kingdom. "Reign as kings" might be somewhat of an overtranslation, or even an unnecessary repitition, that gives our English minds a too specific meaning for a word that can have a broader usage, especially in 5:9, 10 where it is the group that 'reigns.' (It would be interesting to hear what Leolaia would comment on this - maybe she has. I'll have to try a search on it.)
Anyways, this is just an idea that was prompted by your comments above.
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MrQuik:
Consider that the significance of 1914 is built upon a false chronology (607) AND upon a fanciful interpretation of Daniel 4 and Luke 21:24.
Consider also that there is no evidence in the NT that Christians, after the Last Supper, commemorated the Lord's Evening Meal only annually.
So what do you have? A 100 year anniversary that's not actually a 100 year anniversary of anything. And a Memorial that has very little resemblance to any first century 'Memorial.'
I kinda think that any significance to the 2014 Memorial would have to be created by the GB, not by any Divine purpose.
This reminds me of last years buildup to the DC, with the buildup in expectation about Daniel's prophecy and the "toes" of the image of chapter two. As it turned out, the explosive 'new light' was that the "toes" didn't mean anything! They turned, what otherwise would be an obscure announcement of a retraction in a newspaper, into 'exiciting headline-worthy new light.'
If there is some announcement about the 2014 Memorial, I could see them saying that, 'Even though we think only the 144,000 should partake, we're going to allow anyone to partake if they feel they need to, and leave it between them and God.'
Such an announcement would be non-news, since that is what partakers do anyways. And it would further minimize and negate any who partake, effectively leaving the GB as the only legitimate partakers and leaders. Finishing what the new FDS doctrine started.
That is just a personal speculation though, I haven't heard any news otherwise.
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our kingdom ministry request, 2010 to 2013 km update!.request:.nevada, some years ago fokyc was posting the kingdom ministries and i was able to download some of them, but i wasn't able to get them all.
i was wondering if there is a file that has the kingdom ministries from about 2010 and 2011?.reply:.yes, fokyc was very kind in providing us with the kingdom ministries!
we wish him all the best, and i believe he still posts from time to time.
Atlantis:
Thank you very much! I love having them all packed together. It makes keeping track of them easier.
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( apologies for the large space at the top i don't quite know why .
i sat through the wt study that dealt with all the new understanding.. the conductor started by by saying .
well we wont spend too much time on what we used to believe, we will consider what we believe now.. i took a look round to see how the members of the congregation were reacting to this.. nothing.... .
Splash:
In regard to Mt 24:31, see my post on this page. There are a number of OT allusions in the verse to the gathering of God's people. The Society, by viewing 24:31 as a modern time fulfillment, sees the gathering as being something like in 1 Thess 4:16, 17. But their view is further skewed by their view that this only involves the remainder of the 144,000. To the WT, the "chosen ones" are only this small group.
The temple was ultra holy for the Jews, but the city was also called "the holy city." For many of those who fled (which included Judea, not just Jerusalem), they would have had to get the news of the Romans arrival by word of mouth. Few, even in the city, would have had rooftops that adjoined the city's walls that would have allowed them to watch what was going on. Luke 17:31-36 makes more sense to me if one imagines being warned by word of mouth that it is time to flee.
Thanks for your comments Splash.
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