I kinda think the speaker was making some of his own extrapolations.
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by mistified inso i'm listening to a talk this week and the speaker was pretty delusional and shouted a lot!
the talk was the usual mumble jumble but then he said something that did not make any sense at all.
he said that after armageddon in the new paradise earth, the witnesses will still be warning people about the end of the new system of things.
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What Armageddon is the book of Revelation refering to?
by Vienna Angelika insomeone asked me what revelation was talking about when it mentions armageddon.
if it's not like witnesses say, then what is it, and when?
i would really appreciate some info on this as i have not seen too much on this subject..
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Would you rather buy an exspensive Jacket or a 50 inch T.V?
by new hope and happiness ini chose the jacket....
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Bobcat
New Hope:
Your post reminds me of the US Army's FAST (Flight Aptitude Selection Test). It was full of questions that had odd choices, like: Would you rather turn your mother in to the authorities or [some other equally unappealing choice]? I reckon there was some logic to it. I ended up with a very high score (and didn't have to turn my mother in after all). I took the test . . . too many years ago.
As for the jacket or TV question: My choice depends on how cold it is.
Take Care
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Awake October 8 1972 False Alarm About "Peace and Security"
by scotoma inthe watchtower study yesterday made it clear that the cry of peace and security has not occurred yet.. what they don't mention is their false alarm that they falsely pointed to events in 1972 as the cry of peace and security.
that was 42 years ago.. they did this with a special awake in october of 1972. they devoted the full issue to the subject.
it rivals the infamous "is it later than you think" special awake of october 8 1968 in its grandiose predictions.. the october 8 issue of awake 1972 is must reading in view of the latest discussion of peace and security.. here are a few exerpts with the grandiose statements in red.
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Bobcat
If I remember correctly there was also some sort of peace and securtity book that came out
"True Peace and Security - How Can You Find It?" (1986)
"Worldwide Security Under the Prince of Peace" (1986) (Gave my first public talk from this book.)
Good memory to recall these. It does look like these were timed for the occasion. But I don't remember picking up on that at the time.
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Undeclared changes to the 2013 NWT
by Doug Mason inin the following from the 2013 edition of the nwt, the watchtower society indicates that when it released its initial 1950 edition, it considered the greek text provided by westcott and hort as its master text.
as a result of these additional masters, the wts made some undeclared changes to the 2013 nwt.
it does not list these changes or give any explanations.. greek text: in the late 19th century, scholars b. f. westcott and f.j.a.
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Perry:
Very interesting link. Thanks
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Awake October 8 1972 False Alarm About "Peace and Security"
by scotoma inthe watchtower study yesterday made it clear that the cry of peace and security has not occurred yet.. what they don't mention is their false alarm that they falsely pointed to events in 1972 as the cry of peace and security.
that was 42 years ago.. they did this with a special awake in october of 1972. they devoted the full issue to the subject.
it rivals the infamous "is it later than you think" special awake of october 8 1968 in its grandiose predictions.. the october 8 issue of awake 1972 is must reading in view of the latest discussion of peace and security.. here are a few exerpts with the grandiose statements in red.
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A Different View of "Peace and Security"
by Bobcat insince the wt this week has the prediction of a "peace and security" event, i thought i would include a comment from the new american commentary (nac, d. michael martin, pp.159-60) on 1 thessalonians 5:2, 3.. here is the wt's position, according to this week's wt study (sep 2012 study edition, pp.3 4):.
1 th 5:2, 3 is a "future development.".
it happens "just before that day of jehovah.".
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Contradictory Timelines - Do they REALLY think we are this stupid?
by piztjw inso in today's wt, as brought out in another thread, it is the nations that make the declaration of "peace and security.
" yet just a few paragraphs later they claim, in answer to their own question of who declares "peace and security", that the bible doesn't say.. in the very next paragraph they say that angels are holding back the destructive winds of the great tribulation.
to answer their next question as to what those angels are waiting for they say the wait is for the "annointed" to receive their second sealing, referring to a 2007 q/r which says the second sealing is finished only when the "annointed" (including the gb) are in heaven.
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Piztjw:
The problem with the Society's "Peace & Security" idea begins with their changing "are saying" into "cry" and "proclamation." (But see here.)
From there they build their (less than useful) prophecy which they themselves admit, 'the Scriptures don't tell us anything about how it will happen.' So basically, you can't know what the so-called "proclamation" will be about until after the following "sudden destruction" begins, at which point everyone else will also know.
I notice they don't say much about their own past 'declarations' concerning "peace & security." For example, when the Axis powers were moving successfully during the early days of WWII, the Society thought Germany was the scarlet wild beast of Rev. 17 and the Catholic church was the Harlot riding on her. Germany had 'gone into the abyss after WWI and had now come back out. It was supposed to conquer the world and drive JWs underground at which point it would 'cry peace & security' from the preaching of JWs, leading to God's wrath.
After the Allies started winning, it was them setting up the UN, and supposedly the UN would bring in world authoritarian measures, driving JWs underground, all within a few months of WWII ending.
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Does earthquake means revolution in Biblical symbolic language (dark sayings)?
by never a jw inis the answer to my question "yes" or is it more bs from rutherford, just like the meaning of matthew 8:11 according to the fds.. in page 19 of the book "millions now living will never die" you will find the following:.
"again jesns said that the war, famine and pestilence would be followed by earthquakes it was not unusual for jesus to use symbolic language; in fact, he often used symbolic language or dark sayings to conceal the real meaning until the due time should come.
in biblical symbology earthquake means revolution.
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Bobcat
Seismos (Strong's # 4578) mostly refers to earthquakes, but is also used for a windstorm at Matthew 8:24. BDAG defines it as, "a violent shaking or commotion, shock, agitation, in out lit[erature] only of natural phenomena, w[ith] the specific type qualified by context."
AMG's Greek-English dictionary says, regarding Matthew 8:24, "Generally, in the sea meaning a tempest, tornado."
The NT does not use it in the sense of 'riot' or 'uprising.' But poster Larsinger58, for one held to the idea that in Matthew 24:7 it meant that. I think there are others who hold to that idea as well.
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Does earthquake means revolution in Biblical symbolic language (dark sayings)?
by never a jw inis the answer to my question "yes" or is it more bs from rutherford, just like the meaning of matthew 8:11 according to the fds.. in page 19 of the book "millions now living will never die" you will find the following:.
"again jesns said that the war, famine and pestilence would be followed by earthquakes it was not unusual for jesus to use symbolic language; in fact, he often used symbolic language or dark sayings to conceal the real meaning until the due time should come.
in biblical symbology earthquake means revolution.
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Bobcat
sorry, double post.