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  What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?

  by Old Navy in

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  the presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.

  i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?

  aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.

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  Bobcat

  You did ask for "thoughts." See my posts on this thread.
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  The "circle" of the earth

  by stillin in

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  a fair bit of time was spent discussing the (one) scripture in the bible that "proves" that when the bible touches on scientific subjects, it is absolutely correct.

  this was at the most recent clam meeting this past week.

  from isaiah, the reference to the "circle" of the earth.

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  Bobcat

  Check here at Lumina and in the right pane look at the commentary in Constable's Notes at Isa 40:22.
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  The Gentile Times Reconsidered Recommendation

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've been trying to get my hands on this book and read a review that i thought was interesting.

  an anonymous person reviewed the book on barnes and noble and said .

  "jonsson book deals with babylonian tablets.

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  Bobcat

  Here is an online copy of GTR (version 4, the most recent version). I thought it was very well written. He amasses such a huge amount of evidence against the 607 date of the destruction of Jerusalem. If I remember correctly, he has about 17 different lines of evidence pointing to 587. I highly recommend it.

  Incidentally, I believe this is a legitimate copy.
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  The Watchtower's Medical Expert

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a new article by s. sparrow, published today at ajwrb, investigates dr. joachim boldt, one of the watchtower's “bloodless medicine” experts.

  a notorious “medical pretender” who has exposed jw's to additional needless risk.

  watchtower continues to cite this source, and fails to expose him as a fraud.

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  Bobcat

  Just google the man's name and you will get an 'ear-full' of whats up with him. He's become more or less notorious.

  I don't have WT Library on this device but it would be interesting to see how many times hits his name would get on a search
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  What would happen to a JW who respectfully refused to fill out a no blood DPA?

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know you'll be involuntarily disassociated if you unrepentantly accepted a blood transfusion; and i know you'll be disfellowshipped for apostasy if you openly disagreed with watchtower teaching.

  what if you have done none of the above but simply respectfully refused to fill out the dpa without giving any reason for your refusal - so they can't accuse you of openly disagreeing with the no-blood doctrine and df you for apostasy.

  they don't know why you're refusing and you're not giving them the reason - and you're being very respectful.. what can they do?.

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  Bobcat

  If the pressure to fill one out could be documented, and such documentation got into the hands of a judge or the AMA or someone else of similar position, it might bring the whole JW DPA card thing crashing down.
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  Who can guess the number closest to memorial partakers ?

  by Chook in

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  2. experiences

  my punt 16144 , do you like my last three numbers !.

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  Bobcat

  When the WT says that many who partake are mentally unstable they are using a propaganda technique known as "framing an argument."

  They are, in effect, presenting an argument that has only two sides: You either have the WT's view of who should partake, or, you are mentally challenged in some way.

  What they NEVER mention is that many of those who now partake are doing so because they believe this is what Jesus wants all Christians to do. From the WT's perspective, such a view strikes at the heart of their authority structure and can never be acknowledged.

  IMO, the WT's 'mentally unstable' idea amounts to a deliberate lie which places them outside the very covenant they claim to be part of. (Rev 22:15)
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  Seed of mind-control could be seen in the word Amen

  by venus in

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  2. beliefs

  just like naming of days of the week and months are of astrological/pagan origin, the widely used word amen too is pagan, and has contributed to mind-control.. each time we say “amen” at the end of prayer we may think that we mean only "verily" and "truly".

  unfortunately, we overlook something very important.

  amen, amen-ra is the "most high" egyptian solar archetype [egyptian sun god, known as amun/amin/amen ra, meaning "the hidden god" and thus, the phrase "amen" would originally mean "let it remain hidden/secret."].

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  Bobcat

  BibleHub's Greek section says that the Greek ἀμήν is a transliteration of the Hebrew amen (such as is found at Num 5:22 and pronounced similarly).

  I kind of doubt that the God of Numbers, who ordered the destruction of everything pagan in the promised land, would agree with your derivation of the word.

  OTOH, unless one takes his saying "amen" to others prayers seriously, I could see it becoming a part of mind control, where one might automatically assent to things he might not otherwise have agreed to.
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  Faithful and discreet “slave” is very apt name!

  by venus in

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  i found it difficult to digest the word (“slave”) jesus supposedly used to refer to his appointees on earth to dispense spiritual food on earth.

  (mathew 24:45) why not a better word, something positive in view of the fact that jesus came to free us?

  freedom is the absence of physical and mental boundaries or restrictions.

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  Bobcat

  "Slave" is apt considering the way society was in the ANE. Here is a comparison of the F&DS parable in the synoptic gospels. It show how much the WT distorts the context.
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  Judicial meeting questions.

  by Fader812 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  why do elders ask such perverted questions during judicial meetings?

  kinda creeped me out, actually creeped me out a lot.

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  Bobcat

  To be a little fair to the elders involved, they were more likely trying to determine if what you told them constituted "fornication" or "uncleanness" or "loose conduct" (now "brazenness"). The words have "overlapping" meaning (no pun intended). They have to do this so as to satisfy the legal (elder's) manual. It is somewhat an exercise in WT legalities.

  Usually at KS schools (and I think in the elder's book also) they are counseled to avoid asking detailed questions beyond what is necessary so as to determine the type of sin involved. But the definitions involved and the need impressed upon them to be correct in (WT imposed) detail and the fact that the CO will be reviewing the case within the next 6 months, all these things put pressure upon them in such a way that they often times go beyond what is seemly.

  If such things were not held in such secrecy, then human decency would probably prevail more often.
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  1914 is the Key !

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought this deserved its own topic.

  it is a thought that occurred to me as i read the wt rag that i took to be polite.. it is the public one about the 4 horseman, and it struck me that they are still 100% reliant on their false 1914 doctrine to hang everything on.. if 1914 is proved wrong, what can the credibility of their doomsday message hang on ?.

  we all know how to disprove the old 2520 years nonsense, but they seem to at last be hiding that, and simply claiming that world events prove jesus slung the devil out of heaven in 1914.. so, what has that old devil done since 1914, 103 years ago ?.

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  Bobcat

  Hey Phizzy

  Someone mentioned GTR4 by Carl Olaf Jonsson. Here is an online copy. Scroll down a little for the chapter links.

  The thread I started here might provide a back door approach to 1914.

  The first 45 seconds of this video might also open some eyes to someone willing to think outside the WT box.