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  Highlights from Leaked Bethel Videos - part 3, Family Day

  by neat blue dog in

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  then there was family day which had an enormous turnout, with guests getting live entertainment, dancing and a dj.

  they said that next time they'll cut back and not invite guests.. .

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  And what's the difference between "Family Day" and "Mother's Day" or "Father's Day" or one's birthday?
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  Personal Data Permission (Spain)

  by paradiseseeker in

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  i had the meeting yesterday and there it was announced that there will be a new law passed in spain regarding personal data.

  that law makes it compulsory for the wt spanish branch to collect a signed permission from the publishers to keep and utilize personal data.

  no choice was given to us, we were just told to make sure we hand in our signed permissions before may 18th.

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  Think of all the leaked WT classified information that has come out just on this site, or the leaked pedophile information that has gotten into the hands of lawyers. Do you really trust the WT to keep your information secure? And you would have to trust, not just the WT corporation, but everyone at Bethel who has access to that information.

  IMO, it would be far safer to think about it for a while. You can always give your permission later (than May 18th), just as you can also cancel your permission later. But once they have your info you can only trust that they will delete it.

  That's my opinion anyways. ("No choice was given . . ." - Sounds like the elders are in a bind between what the WT wants and being fair with people. This is their way of solving that problem.)
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  6-BOEs-Just Arrived!

  by Atlantis in

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  2018-03-31-general data protection regulationhttps://we.tl/z1g1kyveqg2018-04-01-assisting in seldom worked territorieshttps://we.tl/vjspmlzrag2018-announcements and remindershttps://we.tl/hz9omncxib2018-consent for personal datahttps://we.tl/wnlmxqfp7n2018-instructions-for-use-of-personal-datahttps://we.tl/c1ftcszyk22018-oclam-may-7--28--answer sheethttps://we.tl/ieggkojrsyatlantis!.

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  Thanks Atlantis,

  The section on refusal to consent with personal information is very interesting. I take it that this is WT's response to new laws in the UK. This could provide those who are PIMO another way to fade.
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  Doublethink

  by Ray Frankz in

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  hi guys, it's been a while since i've posted here.

  i've already made a topic making a comparison between the org and a totalitarian government based on orwell's animal farm.

  (https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5699607742906368/christian-farm).

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  Hi RF,

  I think you will find my post here interesting. It shows an overview of how the Olivet Discourse can be logically broken into separate answers to the disciples two questions.

  Here and here I have a linked index to particular details in the Olivet Discourse.
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  Remark at memorial about growing annointed numbers

  by Gorbatchov in

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  don’t know if it was part of the script.. at the memorial the remark about growing annointed numbers including this numbers from 2015 to 2017 was made (from 13.000 to 18.000+).. reason for the growing numbers could be:.

  - feeling annointed because of former believe.

  - psychical reasons.

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  If you asked one of the servers at the Memorial why they passed the plate and glass to everyone they would say, 'that is what Jesus said to do.' One could then reply, 'that is the exact same reason why I partook.'

  At the last supper the only ones who partook were the ones who were not "anointed."
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  How is Babylon the Great a kingdom in Revelation 17:18?

  by jwdoctrine in

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  in revelation 17:18 we read: "and the woman whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”.

  the watchtower's official position is that babylon the great is the worldwide false religion and nothing else but we never really think of babylon the great as a real country with physical borders and citizens?

  i just finished writing an article on that, let me know what you think.how can babylon be a kingdom over other kingdoms in the last days?.

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  If you take it in the context within which it was written, it could not be referring to America or the RC church. The angel who announces that 'she has fallen' (Rev 18:2-4) is speaking to John in the 1st century and using the aorist tense, as if this is something that has already happened and encouraging "my people" to get out of her before her plagues arrive.. The USA and Christian institutions had not yet come into existence at that point in time. Isaiah chapter 2 better fits the situation described in Rev 18:2-4. According to NT writers, the "last days" corresponds with the whole of the Christian era starting with Jesus' first advent. (Heb 1:1-2)

  On the idea that it might picture the USA, there was a fictional book that took it that way, called Alas, Babylon (here).
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  Make the Truth Your Own

  by neat blue dog in

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  this is something that hit me just relatively recently.. the phrase "make the truth your own" is a very famous catch phrase in jw culture.

  it was a pet philosophy of daniel sydlik and has been used and is used in talks, literature and song.

  every witness knows this trope.

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  A marked variance of this core truth which a Witness may meditate upon given the Memorial ‘season’ is the Watchtower teaching that our own physical death releases us from our sins.

  This falsehood is reflected in the NWT's mis-translation of Rom 6:7. We had a thread here a while back discussing this. I think Searcher started that thread, if I'm not mistaken.
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  "DO NOT look here! Seriously...just dont!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  ok, so you all looked here??.

  this thread is prompted by losch's stupid 'decrees' in the march 2018 broadcast, where he denounced online information that may be 'negative' about the organization.. it strikes me that the gb are so dumb!

  the moment someone says "dont look at something", human curiousity will make most people look.

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  I see another irony in their words, given that they claim to be champions of the Bible:

  21Also, do not pay attention to everything that people say;
  otherwise, you might even hear your servant cursing you.
  22For you know in your own heart
  that you also have cursed others many times. (Eccl 7:21-22 NET)
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  Today's WT Paragraph 4

  by Slidin Fast in

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  i thought that this little gem deserved a thread of it's own.. 4. why is it important for us to be present at the memorial if at all possible?.

  4 reflect on the importance of attending the memorial.

  remember, congregation meetings are part of our worship.

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  All that despite the fact that no where in the NT is the Lord's Evening Meal described as:

  A yearly occasion, or the most important meeting,

  Nor is any Christian meeting described that way.

  Romans 14:5, in fact, says quite the opposite. And Galatians 4:10-11 decries the setting up of "seasons" such as a "memorial season."
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  Memorial Invitation 2018 : Subliminal Message ?

  by jwdoctrine in

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  http://jwdoctrine.com/memorial-invitation-2018-demonic-subliminal/.

  memorial invitation : subliminal message.

  at first glance, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the invitation but on closer look a disturbing detail becomes apparent.it is in the upper right corner of the illustration of jesus christ celebrating the last supper with his disciples in the upper room...there seem to be trees outside the window but on closer inspection, all thanks to the pdf format of the invitation that allows you a very close look down to the fine detail, these are not trees but letters!!!.

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  The WT believes that Judas had already left before Jesus passed the bread and wine. I'm not saying he did, but the WT is emphatic about that. So the man below the tree branches is probably not intended by the illustrators to be Judas.