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  January 2020 WT, earthly hope

  by neat blue dog in

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  one of the latest wts rehashes this core jw theology.

  i know it's old hat, but i feel it's always worth pointing out, as it's one of the major things to wake me up and it's relatively easily proven using the bible alone.. throughout the bible, there aremany examples of men of faith who re-ceived holy spirit; yet, they did not havethe hope of living in heaven.

  john the baptistwas “filled with holy spirit.” (luke 1:13-16) jesus said that there was no mangreater than john, but then he said thatjohn would not be included in the heav-enly kingdom.

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  The whole thing is an example of a red herring. Tying an earthly hope or a heavenly hope or anything else to partaking has nothing to do with the Lord's Evening Meal. Partaking was always about, "keep doing this in remembrance of [Jesus]," and "for forgiveness of sins" and 'proclaiming Jesus.' (Mt 26:27, 28; Lu 22:19, 20; 1Co 11:26)

  WT's arguments about this are also an example of 'framing an argument.' You will never read them saying that the problem is that some people think that partaking is something all Christians are to do.

  Always the WT will say that problem partakers are mentally unstable or are holding to ideas from their previous religion. But they never mention the idea of partaking due to thinking it is what Christians are supposed to do. And yet, this is arguably the main reason JWs start to partake. From the WT's viewpoint, mentioning this idea would only spread it to other JWs.

  WT's real problem is that partaking, which implies being 'anointed', involves their authority structure. In WT theology, the GB are the only sure 'anointed' (i.e. rulers). Anyone else who partakes or claims to be 'anointed' is only accepted as such on a wait-and-see basis. They are true Pharisees. (Jn 11:47-50)
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  Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

  by Doug Mason in

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  2. bible

  i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

  these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

  (1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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  Scholar,

  For another indication that there is a larger picture being portrayed in Daniel, see here.
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  Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

  these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

  (1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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  Hi scholar,

  607 aside (I'm for 587), but that aside, my research on the topic of Daniel chapter 4 has also led me to the conclusion that it has a dual fulfillment. I posted on it here (off site). The whole thread is on that topic. But that particular post gets to the main point of why a dual fulfillment.
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  Update/Change In OD Coming Soon

  by mr_doubtful in

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  there will be an update/change in the od book coming soon.

  i have it on good word that this change in the od book has already been pushed out & notified to the “higher ups”.

  newwww light!.

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  Hi Blondie,

  I downloaded the file and then double clicked on it in my Chromebook. It opened up the JW Library app, which then opened the OD book. (My Chromebook also runs android apps.)

  So I guess the file type must be associated with the Library app (on my machine, at least).
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  Update/Change In OD Coming Soon

  by mr_doubtful in

  1. watchtower
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  there will be an update/change in the od book coming soon.

  i have it on good word that this change in the od book has already been pushed out & notified to the “higher ups”.

  newwww light!.

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  Some one told me they were talking about it being updated in the Library app on JWTalk. From what I have seen there are changes in the baptism questions and updates reflecting the data protection laws in Europe. It has Aug, 2019 as the most recent date for the book.

  Here is a download link that was posted.
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  Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

  these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

  (1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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  Hi Doug,

  Here is the Wikipedia article on it. Look also at the text in Reference 2 at the bottom.

  You might also find this post of interest. (It is not directly related to the 587/86 issue, but does involve it.) All of WT dating (from the split in the kingdom and on back) is grounded on 607 BCE as the fall of Jerusalem, and 390 (from Ezek chap. 4) added to that to reach the split in the kingdom.
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  Killers of The Flower Moon by David Grann

  by smiddy3 in

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  i am presently reading this book and so far have read only 100 pages and it boggles my mind !!.

  has anybody on the board read it ?

  if so i would like to hear your views on it,if not now after i have finished reading it myself lol.

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  ALERT: French Miviludes would be in danger of dissolution

  by yalbmert99 in

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  2. scandals

  alert: the anti-cult miviludes in france would be in danger of dissolution according to credible rumors.

  cults lobbyists managed to manipulate french politicians.

  extremely sad..

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  MIVILUDES

  Some years back I remember some dispute between France and the WT involving taxation that resulted in the WT moving their operations out of France. I wonder if MIVILUDES was involved in that, or if it was the previous organization, MILS? It seems like the timing of the change is about right. But I'm not sure on that.
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  A bombshell about Judge Rutherford 1938 Royal Albert Hall London “Face the Facts”

  by Maryo in

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  2. scandals

  http://youtu.be/f7tepvrx4vi.

  judge rutherford is introduced by the speaker saying, “his preeminence in scriptural knowledge is beyond question.

  he speaks as a messenger of jehovah.”.

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  Thanks Earnest for formatting the quote. The "toltalitarian combine" refers to the Axis powers. At that point in history (late 1930s) they did indeed appear to be on the way to victory. The battle of Britain, the invasion of Russia (along with the ensuing 'winter of the century'), and the attack on Pearl Harbor (which brought the US into the war) had not yet occurred. Everything appeared to be going the Axis' way.

  The next booklet that discussed this ("End of Axis Powers"; 1941) foretold a draw between the Allies and the Axis. Then the "Peace, Can It Last?" talk in 1942 described an Allied victory.

  The WT definitely kept up with current events. But the only part they ever discuss is the "Peace, Can It Last? talk. (See my post on this page for some additional detail.)
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  A bombshell about Judge Rutherford 1938 Royal Albert Hall London “Face the Facts”

  by Maryo in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://youtu.be/f7tepvrx4vi.

  judge rutherford is introduced by the speaker saying, “his preeminence in scriptural knowledge is beyond question.

  he speaks as a messenger of jehovah.”.

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  JFR thought that Germany was the scarlet beast of Rev 17. It had 'went into the abyss' in its defeat in WWI. And now (that is, the early part of WWII) it had come out. So, in his view, it was destined to be successful for "one hour" until it was done away with by God.

  The harlot riding the beast was thought to be 'Popery." (i.e. Catholicism)