Posts by Bobcat

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When "all" is not "everyone" or "everything."

by Wonderment in

we keep seeing posters bringing col. 1.16 and john 1.3 up as proof that christ is excluded from the creative acts.

the proof they submit is that the words "all things [gk., pánta]" appear in these texts.

however, they are missing this important element from the discussion: the word "all" is rarely used in greek, and even in our everyday language to mean literally "everyone" or "everything" under the sky.

Bobcat

Hi Wonderment,

The reverse is true also. For example, WT has taken advantage of the truth of what you said to render 1Tim 2:4 as "all sorts of people . . ."

This rendering is necessary for the NWT since WT holds that only 144,000 are invited into the new covenant. Thus "all sorts of" people can be invited into the covenant, but "all" can't, per the WT. But the passage sets "all men/people" (anarthrous) opposite of "the man" (Christ Jesus, articular) who mediated the covenant, thus, arguing that the invitation is open to "all men/people", that is, all of mankind. (Compare Acts 17:30)

Anyways, thanks for posting the review of pas. (I might repost this elsewhere for easy reference. I'll make sure to credit you.)

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Memorial date

by DomineIvimus-DI in

can someone please help me with this, if you’ve looked into it before?.

i read somewhere that the witnesses didn’t celebrate the memorial on nisan 14 according to the jewish calendar.

i did a quick google check - seems next years memorial is on tuesday (nisan 13) rather than the wednesday, nisan 14 according to the jewish calendar.

Bobcat

For any interested, this post has numerous links to discussions about the memorial we have had on another board. Near the bottom of the post is a link to a post that describes my last memorial talk, which was also my first time partaking. There were some surprising results.

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Your thoughts?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

https://www.watoday.com.au/world/jehovahs-witnesses-recover-best-from-surgery-despite-refusing-blood-20120703-21fi1.html .

Bobcat

marked

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Memorial date

by DomineIvimus-DI in

can someone please help me with this, if you’ve looked into it before?.

i read somewhere that the witnesses didn’t celebrate the memorial on nisan 14 according to the jewish calendar.

i did a quick google check - seems next years memorial is on tuesday (nisan 13) rather than the wednesday, nisan 14 according to the jewish calendar.

Bobcat

In the 12/15/2013 Study WT, the study article that includes page 18 discusses whether the Memorial should be held on Nisan 14 or Nisan 15. The WT holds out for Nisan 14. But see this write-up that argues that both dates are moot for Christians.

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January 2020 WT, earthly hope

by neat blue dog in

one of the latest wts rehashes this core jw theology.

i know it's old hat, but i feel it's always worth pointing out, as it's one of the major things to wake me up and it's relatively easily proven using the bible alone.. throughout the bible, there aremany examples of men of faith who re-ceived holy spirit; yet, they did not havethe hope of living in heaven.

john the baptistwas “filled with holy spirit.” (luke 1:13-16) jesus said that there was no mangreater than john, but then he said thatjohn would not be included in the heav-enly kingdom.

Bobcat

The whole thing is an example of a red herring. Tying an earthly hope or a heavenly hope or anything else to partaking has nothing to do with the Lord's Evening Meal. Partaking was always about, "keep doing this in remembrance of [Jesus]," and "for forgiveness of sins" and 'proclaiming Jesus.' (Mt 26:27, 28; Lu 22:19, 20; 1Co 11:26)

WT's arguments about this are also an example of 'framing an argument.' You will never read them saying that the problem is that some people think that partaking is something all Christians are to do.

Always the WT will say that problem partakers are mentally unstable or are holding to ideas from their previous religion. But they never mention the idea of partaking due to thinking it is what Christians are supposed to do. And yet, this is arguably the main reason JWs start to partake. From the WT's viewpoint, mentioning this idea would only spread it to other JWs.

WT's real problem is that partaking, which implies being 'anointed', involves their authority structure. In WT theology, the GB are the only sure 'anointed' (i.e. rulers). Anyone else who partakes or claims to be 'anointed' is only accepted as such on a wait-and-see basis. They are true Pharisees. (Jn 11:47-50)

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

Bobcat

Scholar,

For another indication that there is a larger picture being portrayed in Daniel, see here.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

Bobcat

Hi scholar,

607 aside (I'm for 587), but that aside, my research on the topic of Daniel chapter 4 has also led me to the conclusion that it has a dual fulfillment. I posted on it here (off site). The whole thread is on that topic. But that particular post gets to the main point of why a dual fulfillment.

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Update/Change In OD Coming Soon

by mr_doubtful in

there will be an update/change in the od book coming soon.

i have it on good word that this change in the od book has already been pushed out & notified to the “higher ups”.

newwww light!.

Bobcat

Hi Blondie,

I downloaded the file and then double clicked on it in my Chromebook. It opened up the JW Library app, which then opened the OD book. (My Chromebook also runs android apps.)

So I guess the file type must be associated with the Library app (on my machine, at least).

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Update/Change In OD Coming Soon

by mr_doubtful in

there will be an update/change in the od book coming soon.

i have it on good word that this change in the od book has already been pushed out & notified to the “higher ups”.

newwww light!.

Bobcat

Some one told me they were talking about it being updated in the Library app on JWTalk. From what I have seen there are changes in the baptism questions and updates reflecting the data protection laws in Europe. It has Aug, 2019 as the most recent date for the book.

Here is a download link that was posted.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

Bobcat

Hi Doug,

Here is the Wikipedia article on it. Look also at the text in Reference 2 at the bottom.

You might also find this post of interest. (It is not directly related to the 587/86 issue, but does involve it.) All of WT dating (from the split in the kingdom and on back) is grounded on 607 BCE as the fall of Jerusalem, and 390 (from Ezek chap. 4) added to that to reach the split in the kingdom.