Millie:
Just in case you never heard of it (but you probably have), my "thoroughly modern" quip was drawn from this.
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44How would you compose these facts into sentences?
by compound complex inplease make one sentence each from the following sets of facts:.
1) a man: he's cynical/he's old/he's a bachelor/he's grizzled.
2) a boy: he owns a schwinn bicycle/he's 10 years old/the bike is blue/it's a christmas gift/it has three speeds.
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Curious change in December 15 Study Article
by Bobcat ini ran across a change between the printed edition of the december 15, 2013 wt study edition and the magazine as a pdf download from the jw.org website.. whether the change amounts to much, i'm not sure.
but it is curious.
the change is in paragraph 16 on page 15:.
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Freddo:
That's interesting. I take it the UK mags don't come from Canada?
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-16-2014 WT Study (MAKE SACRIFICES)
by blondie incomments you will not hear at the 02-16-2014 wt study (december 15, 2013, pages 11-15 (make sacrifices).
review comments will be in black.
wt material from today's wt will be in a quote box.
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Paragraph 8:
- The quote from C. T. Russell, I searched my PDF copy of the 1904 WT (several times) and couldn't find it. Does anyone know where this quote comes from?
Paragraph 9:
- The Bible scholar is Albert Barnes, Notes on the Bible, under Luke 10:4. (See here.)
Paragraph 11:
- Tricky, clever wording used to describe what Paul said at 1 Corinthians 16:1, 2:
"Under inspiration, he encouraged his brothers in Corinth not to wait until the end of the week to see what was left over but, rather, to set aside funds at the start of the week in harmony with what they could do."
(1 Corinthians 16:1, 2 NWT) . . .Now concerning the collection that is for the holy ones, just as I gave orders to the congregations of Ga·la′ti·a, do that way also yourselves. 2 Every first day of the week let each of YOU at his own house set something aside in store as he may be prospering, so that when I arrive collections will not take place then. (By the way, compare the improved rendering of verse 2 in the rNWT here. No more "at his own house.")
The paragraph employs a false dilemma ('Should I donate at the end of the week or at the beginning - what does God want me to do?' [Note the, "under inspiration," just to make sure you know that this is God's will, not Paul's] But the implied question was, 'Before I take care of my other obligations or after.') What Paul said had nothing to do with deciding which end of the week to wait for. The beginning of the week was convenient because that was the day Christians normally met for worship. (See linked reference here.) So it wasn't a question of the beginning OR the end of the week. It was simply an instruction to do this when they were normally together.
Most common people back then would have been paid every day for their labors. They didn't receive monthly or weekly pay-checks. Moreover, what is the difference between the last day of the week and the first day of the week to someone who gets paid daily for their labors? The real question Paul wanted settled was, 'Should they collect the donation before Paul arrived OR after he arrived.' Paul wanted to avoid the latter. But the paragraph's wording gives a clever, not-so-honest modern twist to how WT readers would understand Paul's words.
Another bit of cleverness is in the words in the paragraph, "not to wait . . . to see what was left over." That is exactly what Paul wanted when he said, "as he may be prospering." (Compare these renderings of 1Cor 16:2, especially the International Standard Version.)
Another mis-application exists in the fact that the Corinthians had asked Paul to have a share in helping the brothers in Jerusalem (along with the Galatians) because the Chritians in Jerusalem were in want. It had nothing to do with normal operating and living expenses. Paul's position was that those who could do so were to support themselves. (Acts 20:34; 2 Thess 3:10)
Paragraph 16:
- Thread on changes to the PDF version of the magazine. (See here.)
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How would you compose these facts into sentences?
by compound complex inplease make one sentence each from the following sets of facts:.
1) a man: he's cynical/he's old/he's a bachelor/he's grizzled.
2) a boy: he owns a schwinn bicycle/he's 10 years old/the bike is blue/it's a christmas gift/it has three speeds.
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Millie (thoroghly modern, no doubt):
I concur!
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Curious change in December 15 Study Article
by Bobcat ini ran across a change between the printed edition of the december 15, 2013 wt study edition and the magazine as a pdf download from the jw.org website.. whether the change amounts to much, i'm not sure.
but it is curious.
the change is in paragraph 16 on page 15:.
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Bobcat
Another interesting thing about the change is that it puts the changed council a bit out of sync with what the article is talking about. The article is about sacrifices involved with true worship and how impropriety would negate the worshipers efforts, not about any old "giving of our time and resources in behalf of others . . ."
And thanks, Co Co, for taking a look.
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1914 - "A Turning Point In History"?
by Bobcat inthe february 2014 public wt has a cover series of articles dealing with world war i, and by inference 1914. the articles describe wwi as 'causing the world to be changed' and as "a turning point in history.".
setting the wt's defective 1914 chronology aside for a minute, how do these statements about wwi coincide with the view of the nt?.
certainly wwi was a big war.
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WantingTruth:
Continuing what I saw in your linked writeup from the previous post:
- Your linked writeup has a thought about "the kingdom of the heavens/God has drawn near." See here for some additional reference material about this phrase.
(John 18:37 NWT) . . .Therefore Pilate said to him: “Well, then, are you a king?” Jesus answered: “You yourself are saying that I am a king. . . .
This was a good reference in your writeup. I'm adding it here for future reference. The "you yourself are saying . . ." phrasing is widely understood to be a qualified affirmative answer. The BECNT-Luke commentary (Vol II, p. 1811) says regarding the same phrase used by Jesus to Pilate in Luke 23:3:
In Luke, as in the other Synoptics, Jesus' reply is enigmatic: "You have said so" (sy legeis; cf. [Luke 22:67c-68, 70). This appears to be a tacit affirmation, but it is expressed with a qualification about the way the question is perceived. Jesus is a king, but he is not out to overthrow Rome.
This allows the possibility that Jesus viewed the start of his kingship from perhaps his baptism, when he was anointed with holy spirit. (Compare Daniel 9:25, which in the NWT reads "Messiah the Leader." But see the link for how others render it.)
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Curious change in December 15 Study Article
by Bobcat ini ran across a change between the printed edition of the december 15, 2013 wt study edition and the magazine as a pdf download from the jw.org website.. whether the change amounts to much, i'm not sure.
but it is curious.
the change is in paragraph 16 on page 15:.
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fastJehu:
I wonder if someone knows the standard lead times for the printed version? Or how far ahead is an article written up? Sounds like the change could have happened shortly after the printing. Maybe someone higher up (the GB?) saw this in the printed version (maybe they didn't review it like they say or just skimmed over it) and after reading it, saw the possible impact on the Warwick project.
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Curious change in December 15 Study Article
by Bobcat ini ran across a change between the printed edition of the december 15, 2013 wt study edition and the magazine as a pdf download from the jw.org website.. whether the change amounts to much, i'm not sure.
but it is curious.
the change is in paragraph 16 on page 15:.
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Bob_NC:
That sounds like a good possibility (re the NY building project). 'Never let sound principles get in the way of what you want.'
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Curious change in December 15 Study Article
by Bobcat ini ran across a change between the printed edition of the december 15, 2013 wt study edition and the magazine as a pdf download from the jw.org website.. whether the change amounts to much, i'm not sure.
but it is curious.
the change is in paragraph 16 on page 15:.
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Bobcat
Xanthippee:
Maybe it's just me, but I kinda saw the change the other way around. The very specific, "Assisting with Kingdom Halls, relief work, and other activities. . ." becomes a somewhat vague, "The giving of our time and resources in behalf of others . . ."
The original phrase calls to mind WT specific things. The revised phrase, to the JW mind, can be seen as more 'secular.' (IMO)
But I certainly agree with your thought about losing the grip of mind-control from being away from the meetings.
To tell you the truth, I'm probably analysing this far more closely than any in the KH will.
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Curious change in December 15 Study Article
by Bobcat ini ran across a change between the printed edition of the december 15, 2013 wt study edition and the magazine as a pdf download from the jw.org website.. whether the change amounts to much, i'm not sure.
but it is curious.
the change is in paragraph 16 on page 15:.
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Bobcat
Comatose:
This opens the possibility that they weigh input or feedback after the magazine is printed. Not a new thought by itself, but this change had to happen within just a few months time.