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  Colossians 1:15,16 all (other) things

  by truthwillsetyoufree in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this thread isn't meant to go into discussing how deceptive the society has been over the translation of this passage of scripture as that has been done many times on here.

  what i want to know is this - the society has inserted the word other in the collosions verses and the one in philippians (above every (other) name).

  they've done this for doctrinal matters.

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  Wonderment:

  Thanks for the link. Interesting reading.

  Bobcat
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  Chautauqua Salute makes a comeback at the Indianapolis Regional convention 7/13/14

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as the regional convention ended in indianapolis, mark sanderson invited all the international delegates to come out onto the field for the final song.

  as they walked out, they all held a white handkerchief aloft as they waved.

  some in the audience waved a white cloth in return.

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  It is interesting that it is a "salute" of sorts to a person. Saluting is (or was) frowned on by the witnesses. Military saluting (to higher ranks) is viewed as idolatrous. And tipping of the hat to a lady was also viewed as giving undo attention to her. It would be interesting if future magazines that report on this describe it as some sort of 'send-off' by the crowd for the GB speaker, as if it was spontaneous.
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  New Light from 2014 Convenetion re Dancing

  by Haupi33 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  now it's okay for the rank & file to dance and do the twist before the program starts.

  check out the video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzaw1xe8q70.

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  Look at their shirts. They all have convention badges on. But it does look 'Christendom-ish.'
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  Colossians 1:15,16 all (other) things

  by truthwillsetyoufree in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this thread isn't meant to go into discussing how deceptive the society has been over the translation of this passage of scripture as that has been done many times on here.

  what i want to know is this - the society has inserted the word other in the collosions verses and the one in philippians (above every (other) name).

  they've done this for doctrinal matters.

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  Bobcat

  Here is a list of occurrances of "all" / "every" (Greek πᾶς, Strong's 3956) wherein the NWT (not the revised one) has "other" inserted with it:

  Mt 6:33; 26:35; Mk 4:13, 32; Lk 11:41, 42; 13:2, 4; 21:29; Jn 2:10; 10:29; Rom 8:32; 1Co 6:18; 12:26; Php 2:9; Col 1:16, 17, 20

  If you have access to the WTLibrary, just copy the line and paste it into the search box of the WTLibrary and it will create a listing of those verses. In many cases English idiom allows for it. Lexicons also define πᾶς (pas) as "each, every, any" "all," "any and every," "whole," "every kind of, all sorts of." (All these definitions were given in Bauer's 3rd edition Lexicon - BDAG, pp. 782-84)

  Note that in some cases the NWT has brackets "[ ]" around "other," and in some cases it doesn't. The more recent versions of the NWT (2006 and later) have the brackets removed entirely.

  I think the arguments for and against "other" in Colossians would have to be classified as theological arguments. The language itself, both Greek and English, allow for it as one possible way of translating it.

  Bobcat
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  God supported Neco instead of His faithful king

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if you read the chapter 23 of the book of 1 kings, you will note that josiah was one of best kings of judah.

  he did many good things in favor to yahweh-worshipping.

  let's read:.

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  I posted some research about this question here, here, and here. All three links are to different posts on the same thread. These include a number of links to research material on the subject.

  A footnote in one of the references (NAC-Chronicles commentary, p. 385) says:

  • According to 1 Esdr 1:28, Jeremiah also warned Josiah against going into battle, but this could only be a later historian's speculation on the basis of [2Chronicles 35:] 25

  Both the NAC commentary and the ISBE encyclopedia mention that Josiah may have in fact hurt the Assyrian effort against Babylon by delaying the Egyptian's march to Carchemish.

  This reference addresses Neco's claim to have been sent by God. Josiah, for his part, might have been reminded of Hezekiah's dealings with Assyria and the claim of Sennacherib (Isaiah 36:10).

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  "New Book" God's Kingdom Rules

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i heard that on sat the jws released a new book at the convention god's kingdom rules.

  is it a verse by verse of ezekiel or daniel?

  does it mention the "overlapping generation"?

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  Large scale War in the Middle East

  by designs in

  1. social
  2. current

  is this spreading conflict, war, in syria and iraq, inevitable and some argue necessary.. new leaders rising with napoleon size ambitions, old monarchies trying to hold on to power.. religious ideologies and groups challenging one another.

  battles for natural resources and redrawing lands and boundries.. are there parallels to wwi and wwii..

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  Is this spreading conflict, War, in Syria and Iraq, inevitable and some argue necessary.

  I agree it is, to some extent, inevitable, as a result of the waning of US military power and economic influence (and by extension, Western influence as a whole). Some of it seems to be the result of US efforts to hold on to the power and position they had. And some of it the result of other nations and factions seeing an opportunity opening up for them.

  The order of the world is changing. The post-WWII pax-Americana may be coming to an end. I don't see any other nation (at the moment, China included) that is interested (or capable - at this time) in becoming the world's 'policeman' (or that even wants to be).

  Focusing on the Middle East, some of the conflict may be related to the US' effort to hold on to the 'petro-dollar,' and some on religious aspirations.
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  Listening to crisis of conscience as a audio book

  by foreverme in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has really made me wonder how i ever got involved with the watchtower.

  it basically comes down to me just wanting to believe this delusional belief system.

  millions of people wasting their lives in this way is incredible.

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  WT-Free:

  Thanks a bunch for that!

  Bobcat
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  Focus sends his LOVE to the GOVERNING BODY, senior OVERSEERS, etc.

  by Focus in

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  2. friends

  focus.

  ("love and kisses" class).

  focus.

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  Doesn't look like any 'cover-up' going on in connection with the publication artwork. :)
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  Convention Hotel "list"- Free rooms for JW/WT "dignitaries"?

  by Darth Fader The Sequel in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in all my years of being a jw, one of the more annoying aspects to me was each year sitting through the service meeting review part about what was expected (see: demanded) behavior and policies that the rest of us rank and file were ordered to comply with to attend a district convention.

  the minutia in this part and the over-reaching set of rules were enough to drive me into a lather of rage at the audacity of these people thinking they could and should control every single aspect of my attendance to this "free" and voluntary convention.

  from what clothing i can wear on my trip to and from the convention city, to what clothing i can wear before and after each day of the convention, to what i should be doing after each day instead of eating dinner and enjoying some good times with good friends, to insisting on wearing a ridiculous name badge, to what i should eat for lunch and where i should eat lunch and what is the appropriate container to keep my lunch in, to .................. the list is endless!!!!!!!!

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  After I had started waking up I would always book using a different dicounter, such as ChoiceHotels. I would usually stay in the same hotel as the friends, but at 10 or 12 $ less per night than they were.

  Interestingly, I never made it a secret that I did this and I never received any flack for it. It seemed that as long as I was using the hotel on the list, well, I was "obeying." Fact is, using a different discount was the same as using a hotel not on the list. But no one seemed to figure that out. Occasionally, in my area, they do have a rate that is competitive with what I could get, at a hotel I feel like staying at. But the way I feel now towards them, I'm willing to pay a little extra just to not further their ends.

  For the OP, I the same, I despise the WT's disingeniousness. They are misusing their authority. (2 Pet 2:3) They deserve the contempt they should get.

  By the way, I always make sure to point the friends to the small print disclaimer at the very end of the lodging list that says using any hotel on the list is at the users own risk. I take that disclaimer as permission to not use the list if I so choose.

  This reminds me of an occasion when I was still an elder. A brother confided in me how guilty he felt that he had to use a hotel not on the list due to financial reasons. Often the discount hotels will not offer the WT a reduced rate under the auspices that they already offer a discount rate. Thus, they end up not being on the list. Being on the list is driven by the Society's needs, not ours. I told the brother that he was in charge of his finances (Acts 5:3, 4) and responsible for housing his family (1 Tim 5:8), so not to worry about it. He looked kind of perplexed at me. I think he was expecting some forgiveness for his "sin," rather than be told he did not "sin" at all.

  Bobcat