Posts by Bobcat

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Drama at the RC

by leaving_quietly in

i sat through part 1 of the drama yesterday.

i thought they did a fairly decent job with it, except for the weird questions asked up front by an ancient guy asking "how do you know jehovah's witnesses have the truth?

" that has absolutely nothing to do with how he was convinced jesus was the messiah.

Bobcat

Tacoma, Washington, USA

Thanks LQ. Just checking if we were in the same location. I was visiting the RC in Jax, FL Friday.

Bobcat

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Drama at the RC

by leaving_quietly in

i sat through part 1 of the drama yesterday.

i thought they did a fairly decent job with it, except for the weird questions asked up front by an ancient guy asking "how do you know jehovah's witnesses have the truth?

" that has absolutely nothing to do with how he was convinced jesus was the messiah.

Bobcat

LQ:

Where was the RC you were at (if it is okay to tell me)?

Bobcat

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About 1914 ??

by Powermetal4ever in

dont know if this has been up before, but i just happened to see it today.

its from the book "a study guide for god's word" which came last year if i am not mistaken.

anyway.... what is the deal with "about 1914 c.e" ??

Bobcat

They believe Satan was cast out sometime between 1914 and 1918. The WT holds that Jesus became king of God's Kingdom in October 1914. They believe this is foretold at Rev 12:5.

According to this 'chronology,' Satan is thrown out afterwards, which is described in Rev 12:7-12.

They believe that the 'persecution' that landed the 7 WT officials in prison (which begins in the spring of 1918) is in fulfillment of Rev 12:13.

Thus, for the WT, Satan had to have been thrown out of heaven sometime after October 1914, but before the 'persecution' begins in the spring of 1918. And since these events (the war in heaven and Satan's being thrown out) are invisible to humans, they want to show themselves 'cautious' Bible students and simply say "about 1914."

(I posted about this also here on another site.)

Bobcat

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Wrong and Deceiving

by Madan Magar in

in the article 'judgement day' published by jehovah's witness', they are saying,'in 'judgement day', the people who will be resurrected and had no chance to learn about god will not be judged according to their past deed but what will they do after resurrection.

' and they show the scripture roman6:7 which says"who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

" if we take out context and see it literally , it has that meaning but the scripture's contextual meaning is totally different, it doesn't talk about physical death but the death of old personality.so in this cotext, this cannot be applied.this is anacceptable to admit..

Bobcat

John 5:28, 29, 12:47, 48 and Romans 2:14-16 show that people will be affected at the judgment by what they did during their life.

John 12:47, 48 & Romans 2:14-16 also give an indication of what is in the scrolls of Revelation 20:12.

Bobcat

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New light on more parables

by Deltawave in

well after a full watchtower study last week about how we should not read to much into bible account as types and antitypes, we had a whole study article on what the 10 wise virgins now means.

interesting though is the fact that only in 2007/8 they taught that the discreet virgins were the annointed ones who waited for christ's return in 1914 and the foolish ones were the ones who fell away in 1914 because the end didn't come.

now though, we have new light!

Bobcat

For any interested in a comparison of the WT explanations of the parable of the 10 virgins and the parable of the talents with what a good academic commentary has to say, I posted reference material for both parables on the DTT site:

The parable of the 10 virgins: here.

The parable of the talents: here.

Bobcat

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Specific Comments By R&F About May Broadcast

by freemindfade in

i know there are many posts discussing the may money requesting televangalism...er... broadcast i mean!

but i wanted to start one where anyone can put what they have heard any non-exjw, non-apostate witnesses say good or bad about the broadcast.

i don't see how it can't rattle followers... but then again i might be surprised how they can twist things (2+2=5).

Bobcat

a watcher said:

I sometimes wonder if the GB in their ivory tower know we're in the middle of a recession/depression, and things are going to get WORSE, not better.

I expressed a similar thought here.

Bobcat

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David Schafer's Mistake

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

thanks cappytan for posting the thread "jehovah's people as a whole can never be corrupted".

it's a sad example of how low in simple reading skills the present gb and their helpers are.

david schafer referred to philippians 4:7 on jw broadcasting.

Bobcat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLT2YTyuPKQ

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James 1:27, Widows, Orphans, Religion - Worship

by berrygerry in

what bothered me in the past few years prior to departure was the lack of caring for widows and orphans.. two days ago, i discovered that james 1:27 uses the word religion - even though the reference bible has it as a footnote, as does the gray bible.. there was a study article in 1991 which boasts that the nwt is consistent in translating threskeia all 4 times as "form of worship," whereas other translations also use "worship" at col. 2:18.

(check the context and greek - nwt is quite off.).

the article does not refer one to vine's, which is usually the go-to reference book.

Bobcat

a watcher
The number of needy sisters in the congregations is just overwhelming. I help the handful that I can . . .

I was reviewing some older posts. I meant to commend you for this.

On a note from my post above, I mentioned that the counting of FS time has the effect of moving congregation members to spend their time where it would be counted - in the ministry, versus spending more time with "orphans and widows."

But in addition, WT dogma or interpretation also has an adverse effect on the time spent with "orphans and widows" within the congregation. For example, in the 'Sheep & Goats' parable of Mt 25:31-46, Jesus commends the sheep for having ministered to him when he was "hungry . . . thirsty . . . a stranger . . . naked . . . sick . . . [and] in prison." Jesus then goes on to say that they did this to him when they did this to "one of the least of these brothers or sisters of mine" (NET).

WT dogma asserts that "one of the least of these brothers or sisters of mine" only refers to an anointed Christian," of which there are only 144,000. And most of them are long gone. And of those that remain, the only ones you can be sure of are the GB.

Thus, their own (enforced) dogma steals support away from the very ones who are being described. They are actually worse than the "goats" who simply admit to ignorance of such situations ("When did we see you . . ." - Mt 25:44)

For anyone interested in experimenting with the effect WT terminology has had on its members, try using the terms "WT religion" or "Jehovah's Witness religion" or "our religion" within the Kingdom Hall and amongst JWs. I'm guessing that if you are not a JW, this 'misuse' of terminology will be excused as simple ignorance. But if you are already a JW it will be seen as an indication of one's starting to distance themselves from the WT, in the same way using terms like "bulletin board" and "New Testament" and "crucify" would be seen.

Bobcat

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