Posts by Bobcat

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The "circle" of the earth

by stillin in

a fair bit of time was spent discussing the (one) scripture in the bible that "proves" that when the bible touches on scientific subjects, it is absolutely correct.

this was at the most recent clam meeting this past week.

from isaiah, the reference to the "circle" of the earth.

Bobcat

Are there any records outside the Bible about this? No one else noticed such a phenomenal occurrence?

Here is a discussion that includes this.

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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?

by Old Navy in

the presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.

i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?

aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.

Bobcat

Hi Old Navy and Diogenesister,

If my summation of the sign of Jonah has any merit, "the queen of the South" in the book of Jonah would correspond to the domestic animals in Jonah that "repent" along with the "men of Nineveh."

As the link on the view of women in the first century shows, women in Judea had little more status than domesticated animals. Jesus gave them much more status than Judaism ever did. And, like the queen of Sheba, many of the women who became disciples of Jesus gave much material support.

They were "raised up" by Christianity. Admittedly, modern women may not appreciate how much of a change in status women enjoyed with becoming a disciple of Jesus. (Mt 11:28-30; Incidentally, Constable's Notes - here - makes an interesting comment on the connection between Mt 11:28 and Jer 31:25 where it links Mt 11:28 with the New Covenant. Click on "Constable's Notes on the right pane and scroll down to where it discusses Mt 11:28. The WT denies most of its members any part in the New Covenant. And thus, one would expect that JW women do not get some of the benefit of that covenant.)

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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?

by Old Navy in

the presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.

i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?

aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.

Bobcat

You did ask for "thoughts." See my posts on this thread.

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The "circle" of the earth

by stillin in

a fair bit of time was spent discussing the (one) scripture in the bible that "proves" that when the bible touches on scientific subjects, it is absolutely correct.

this was at the most recent clam meeting this past week.

from isaiah, the reference to the "circle" of the earth.

Bobcat

Check here at Lumina and in the right pane look at the commentary in Constable's Notes at Isa 40:22.

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The Gentile Times Reconsidered Recommendation

by Jules Saturn in

i've been trying to get my hands on this book and read a review that i thought was interesting.

an anonymous person reviewed the book on barnes and noble and said .

"jonsson book deals with babylonian tablets.

Bobcat

Here is an online copy of GTR (version 4, the most recent version). I thought it was very well written. He amasses such a huge amount of evidence against the 607 date of the destruction of Jerusalem. If I remember correctly, he has about 17 different lines of evidence pointing to 587. I highly recommend it.

Incidentally, I believe this is a legitimate copy.

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The Watchtower's Medical Expert

by Lee Elder in

a new article by s. sparrow, published today at ajwrb, investigates dr. joachim boldt, one of the watchtower's “bloodless medicine” experts.

a notorious “medical pretender” who has exposed jw's to additional needless risk.

watchtower continues to cite this source, and fails to expose him as a fraud.

Bobcat

Just google the man's name and you will get an 'ear-full' of whats up with him. He's become more or less notorious.

I don't have WT Library on this device but it would be interesting to see how many times hits his name would get on a search

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What would happen to a JW who respectfully refused to fill out a no blood DPA?

by Island Man in

i know you'll be involuntarily disassociated if you unrepentantly accepted a blood transfusion; and i know you'll be disfellowshipped for apostasy if you openly disagreed with watchtower teaching.

what if you have done none of the above but simply respectfully refused to fill out the dpa without giving any reason for your refusal - so they can't accuse you of openly disagreeing with the no-blood doctrine and df you for apostasy.

they don't know why you're refusing and you're not giving them the reason - and you're being very respectful.. what can they do?.

Bobcat

If the pressure to fill one out could be documented, and such documentation got into the hands of a judge or the AMA or someone else of similar position, it might bring the whole JW DPA card thing crashing down.

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Who can guess the number closest to memorial partakers ?

by Chook in

my punt 16144 , do you like my last three numbers !.

Bobcat

When the WT says that many who partake are mentally unstable they are using a propaganda technique known as "framing an argument."

They are, in effect, presenting an argument that has only two sides: You either have the WT's view of who should partake, or, you are mentally challenged in some way.

What they NEVER mention is that many of those who now partake are doing so because they believe this is what Jesus wants all Christians to do. From the WT's perspective, such a view strikes at the heart of their authority structure and can never be acknowledged.

IMO, the WT's 'mentally unstable' idea amounts to a deliberate lie which places them outside the very covenant they claim to be part of. (Rev 22:15)

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Seed of mind-control could be seen in the word Amen

by venus in

just like naming of days of the week and months are of astrological/pagan origin, the widely used word amen too is pagan, and has contributed to mind-control.. each time we say “amen” at the end of prayer we may think that we mean only "verily" and "truly".

unfortunately, we overlook something very important.

amen, amen-ra is the "most high" egyptian solar archetype [egyptian sun god, known as amun/amin/amen ra, meaning "the hidden god" and thus, the phrase "amen" would originally mean "let it remain hidden/secret."].

Bobcat

BibleHub's Greek section says that the Greek ἀμήν is a transliteration of the Hebrew amen (such as is found at Num 5:22 and pronounced similarly).

I kind of doubt that the God of Numbers, who ordered the destruction of everything pagan in the promised land, would agree with your derivation of the word.

OTOH, unless one takes his saying "amen" to others prayers seriously, I could see it becoming a part of mind control, where one might automatically assent to things he might not otherwise have agreed to.

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Faithful and discreet “slave” is very apt name!

by venus in

i found it difficult to digest the word (“slave”) jesus supposedly used to refer to his appointees on earth to dispense spiritual food on earth.

(mathew 24:45) why not a better word, something positive in view of the fact that jesus came to free us?

freedom is the absence of physical and mental boundaries or restrictions.

Bobcat

"Slave" is apt considering the way society was in the ANE. Here is a comparison of the F&DS parable in the synoptic gospels. It show how much the WT distorts the context.