See my first and second posts on this thread for some background on WT baptism. I find it telling that the WT never references Romans 6:1-7 when speaking of baptism. Never. For the WT, baptism is an initiation rite to "associate" with them. By being baptized you become someone who is granted permission to 'associate with God's spirit directed organization.'
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7What is the Baptism all about?
by Old Navy indoes the act of baptism make us a "member" of any group or organization?
or, is it something much greater in its purpose?.
when we as former jws came to the truthful conclusion that what the wtborg cult inc. was teaching/preaching was not an accurate representation of the word, many of us decided to look into every nook and cranny to see if we could discover the real truth.
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Random thoughts of an ex-JW on a coffee break
by StarTrekAngel inlately i have been finding myself doing a lot of thinking.
not that i am smarter than the keurig coffee maker in my office, which lately has made me reevaluate the perception of my professional career.
somewhere along the way between winding down my relationship with my now ex-boss and starting a new one with my current boss, i noticed that the machine complaints with a message on a touchscreen….
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Here is an outline of the Mosaic Law regarding slaves, Hebrew as well as Gentile. For their time, Israel's slavery laws were revolutionary for their humaneness, in comparison with slavery among Gentiles. (No doubt, there were individual exceptions to this. And actual practice may have been sometimes different to what the Law stated.) There is a section in the link that discusses female slaves from war.
Israelite slavery does not compare well with modern democracies - in theory anyways, In practice, modern democracies have outsourced their 'slavery' to third world nations so that their own citizens have the appearance of freedom without any slavery. The same can be said for some of the more wealthy Islamic nations.
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JWs Reveling In The News Of Hurricanes And Earthquakes
by pale.emperor inas you know, this week the human race has been hit with hurricanes and earthquakes.
natural disasters which happen almost everyday, but this month we've seen them cause massive damage and a huge loss of lives.. as you can imagine, theres a whole host of jws positively wetting themselves with anticipation over this.link here: https://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/25884-earthquakes-in-one-place-after-another/.
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I friend of mine who attends a not-too-distant KH told me that they were having some sort of 30 minute video presentation tonight (9-22-17 Friday) at their KH. She said it was "concerning the weather." That's all she knew. It's not their CO visit, by the way. And this is in an area that was affected by hurricane Irma, but not too badly.
Anyone heard anything about/like this?
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The "circle" of the earth
by stillin ina fair bit of time was spent discussing the (one) scripture in the bible that "proves" that when the bible touches on scientific subjects, it is absolutely correct.
this was at the most recent clam meeting this past week.
from isaiah, the reference to the "circle" of the earth.
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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?
by Old Navy inthe presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.
i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?
aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.
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Hi Old Navy and Diogenesister,
If my summation of the sign of Jonah has any merit, "the queen of the South" in the book of Jonah would correspond to the domestic animals in Jonah that "repent" along with the "men of Nineveh."
As the link on the view of women in the first century shows, women in Judea had little more status than domesticated animals. Jesus gave them much more status than Judaism ever did. And, like the queen of Sheba, many of the women who became disciples of Jesus gave much material support.
They were "raised up" by Christianity. Admittedly, modern women may not appreciate how much of a change in status women enjoyed with becoming a disciple of Jesus. (Mt 11:28-30; Incidentally, Constable's Notes - here - makes an interesting comment on the connection between Mt 11:28 and Jer 31:25 where it links Mt 11:28 with the New Covenant. Click on "Constable's Notes on the right pane and scroll down to where it discusses Mt 11:28. The WT denies most of its members any part in the New Covenant. And thus, one would expect that JW women do not get some of the benefit of that covenant.)
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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?
by Old Navy inthe presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.
i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?
aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.
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The "circle" of the earth
by stillin ina fair bit of time was spent discussing the (one) scripture in the bible that "proves" that when the bible touches on scientific subjects, it is absolutely correct.
this was at the most recent clam meeting this past week.
from isaiah, the reference to the "circle" of the earth.
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The Gentile Times Reconsidered Recommendation
by Jules Saturn ini've been trying to get my hands on this book and read a review that i thought was interesting.
an anonymous person reviewed the book on barnes and noble and said .
"jonsson book deals with babylonian tablets.
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Here is an online copy of GTR (version 4, the most recent version). I thought it was very well written. He amasses such a huge amount of evidence against the 607 date of the destruction of Jerusalem. If I remember correctly, he has about 17 different lines of evidence pointing to 587. I highly recommend it.
Incidentally, I believe this is a legitimate copy.
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The Watchtower's Medical Expert
by Lee Elder ina new article by s. sparrow, published today at ajwrb, investigates dr. joachim boldt, one of the watchtower's “bloodless medicine” experts.
a notorious “medical pretender” who has exposed jw's to additional needless risk.
watchtower continues to cite this source, and fails to expose him as a fraud.
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What would happen to a JW who respectfully refused to fill out a no blood DPA?
by Island Man ini know you'll be involuntarily disassociated if you unrepentantly accepted a blood transfusion; and i know you'll be disfellowshipped for apostasy if you openly disagreed with watchtower teaching.
what if you have done none of the above but simply respectfully refused to fill out the dpa without giving any reason for your refusal - so they can't accuse you of openly disagreeing with the no-blood doctrine and df you for apostasy.
they don't know why you're refusing and you're not giving them the reason - and you're being very respectful.. what can they do?.
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