Posts by Bobcat

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Mt: 24/luke 21 does not have a 2nd fulfillment!

by nowwhat? in

the bible clearly says a generation is 40 years (exodus and job) the 1st half of the last century saw wars, famines, pestilence.

if 1914 was the correct starting date the end should have came by the mid 1950's ( which the witnesses believed at the time) this fact alone proves beyond a shadow of a doubt.

jesus was only speaking of the events of the 1st century..

Bobcat

This post and this one (on another board) have links to posts that have extensive research on various parts of the Olivet Discourse and how it was fulfilled in the 1st century.

This post compares Mt 24:15-30 with Rev 16:16-21 (in parallel columns) to show where they are both similar and dissimilar. There are interesting similarities. But the differences make it clear that they (Mt 24:15-30 & Rev 16:16-21) are describing two different things.

They are similar enough that they appear to represent an intentional similarity in pattern. It is in the details where they differ from each other.

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BLONDIE’S FIRST THOUGHTS WT STUDY 2-10-2019 (DECEMBER 2018, PAGES (3-7)

by blondie in

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friends

blondie’s first thoughts wt study 2-10-2019 (december 2018, pages (3-7).

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-december-2018/you-will-be-with-me-in-paradise/.

excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

Bobcat

What is the source of the statement in the 5th century Syriac version?

The Curetonian Syriac (fifth century C.E.) renders Luke 23:43: "Amen, I say to thee to-day that with me thou shalt be in the Garden of Eden.'"--F. C. Burkitt, "The Curetonian Version of the Four Gospels," Vol.I, Cambridge, 1904.

I got this from here. I forgot to put it in my post above. Glad to help you Blondie.

Where this 5th century Syriac version gets interesting is when you read the Wikipedia article on it: Here.

That makes two quotes in the same paragraph with questionable backgrounds. Doing a little checking helps explain why these two quotes were not source referenced.

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BLONDIE’S FIRST THOUGHTS WT STUDY 2-10-2019 (DECEMBER 2018, PAGES (3-7)

by blondie in

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friends

blondie’s first thoughts wt study 2-10-2019 (december 2018, pages (3-7).

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-december-2018/you-will-be-with-me-in-paradise/.

excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

Bobcat

"Paragraph 20: Who is the Bible translator of the Middle East mentioned here? What is the source of the statement in the 5th century Syriac version?"

See the first part of this post for an interesting answer to that question.

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Prayerfully Considering or Seeing What Sticks

by scotoma in

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tony says the magical words “prayerfully considering”.

presumably, this has been done many times even when they have gotten things wrong.

have a urim and thummim method of knowing the correct interpretations?

Bobcat

Hi scotoma,

One of the things that has helped me was ditching the WT's interpretive rendering and take on Rev 1:10. The rendering that you quoted moves the verb from its original position in the greek text. If you look in an interlinear you will see that what John "came to be" was "inspired" (literally, "in the spirit"). It was "on the Lord's day" when this took place. Rev 4:2 has a structure very similar to Rev 1:10. The NWT renders Rev 4:2 as the greek text has it. But they alter Rev 1:10 to fit their theological understanding, which is based on their 1914 chronology.

The effect of the WT's rendering is to compress all of the prophecy in Revelation into a much smaller time frame. Imagine taking a digital picture and resizing the width only to a much smaller size. It would create a very distorted image. We had a poster named ex-gilead-missionary (not sure if I got that exactly right) who posted about this a few years ago.

At any rate, here is a little gift for you for your years of effort.

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Scriptural Understanding

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

can all explain what you understand from this verse/how it does or does not connect with the ministry that jdubs do?.

"let us hold fast the public declaration" - hebrews 10:23a nwt.

means "go door to door".

Bobcat

The word in question ("public declaration" - Greek homologia; Strong's 3671) occurs with the same inflection in the NT only at 1Ti 6:12-13. But the word also occurs at: 2Co 9:13; Heb 3:1, 4:14.

The NWT renders it thusly:

2Co 9:13; 1Ti 6:12-13; Heb 4:14; 10:23 = "public declaration"; Heb 3:1 = "acknowledge." You can use this link and just change the translation in the upper right to see how other translations render it in all these verses.

Based on the context of these 6 verses the "confession" appears to be to both insiders and outsiders of the community of believers. I don't see anything that would require it to be only in a door-to-door ministry. Nor anything that would rule it out either as one way to give a 'confession.' (Footnote #17 in the NET speaks of 1Ti 6:12 happening at Timothy's baptism or ordination as a minister. - See here.)

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"Romans" added to NWT Study Bible, and one omission.

by Wonderment in

rom.

14:1 says: "welcome the man having weaknesses in his faith, but do not pass judgment on differing opinions.

" (italics added.).

Bobcat

This passage reminded me of an experience.

A few years ago, one of the elders in our KH gave a Sunday talk and in it he was discussing how in the churches Christmas and Easter are held as the most important days of the year. He said, 'in contrast, "we" (meaning JWs) hold Nisan 14 as the most important day of the year.' Of course, his point was that JWs have it right.

After the talk, I approached him and brought up that part of the talk and told him that he only presented two sides of the argument. That there was a third viewpoint he did not mention. When he looked at me wondering what I was referring to, I told him he would find the third view in Romans 14:5 (which is part of the same context with Rom 14:1).

I never got a reply from him, but several other standing around promptly opened their Bibles to see what I was referring to. None of them ever said anything to me about it afterward either.

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2019 Elders Manual and a Whole Lot More!

by Atlantis in

single zipped folderhttps://we.tl/t-uiqj87wimd.

2019-02-02-musical preludeshttps://we.tl/t-zyfpnodizd.

s-21-e congregation's publisher record (2018-12).pdfhttps://we.tl/t-i9qamx3s0q.

Bobcat

Thank you Atlantis!

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Evidence of a form of telepathy, science and personal experiences.

by Bad_Wolf in

i believe in rational explanations for everything, whether they are understood yet or not.

medication used to be considered 'magic' until understood how it worked.

on the subject of telepathy, for me it's very subtle but has happened many times.

Bobcat

Well, WYDFme, "To each his own." I remain open to the possibilities.

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Anyone every heard anything about your own blood?

by Tobyjones262 in

i was wondering if there was any policy from the cult about your own blood in you cut your finger and put it in your mouth out of reflex ect.

what if any is the position of this?

i always thought the amount of blood is not the real issue, even a drop would be a sin?.

Bobcat

The ARJWB website has a copy of a DPA that was briefly handed out that allowed autologous blood transfusions. JWFacts might have a copy of this also. The few forms that were handed out were quickly recalled. I'm thinking this happened around the time of the 911 incident in New York.

They might also have WT references to one's own blood.

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Evidence of a form of telepathy, science and personal experiences.

by Bad_Wolf in

i believe in rational explanations for everything, whether they are understood yet or not.

medication used to be considered 'magic' until understood how it worked.

on the subject of telepathy, for me it's very subtle but has happened many times.

Bobcat

Here is a fascinating article on QM being used intentionally for communication in the real world. "There is nothing new under the sun." And, "Have you seen something and said, 'See, this is new.' It has already had existence for time indefinite." (Qoheleth)