Posts by Bobcat

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Meaning of Luke 9:49,50

by truthlover123 in

these two verses indicate that "others" were preaching in jesus' name and when the apostles reported it to him, he said "let him alone for he who is with us is not against us".... since the wtbts states they are the only way to salvation, what does this scripture mean?

others have the right to salvation as well - straight from jesus' mouth- as long as they preach ( in the verse it says expel demons as well) using jesus name?

Bobcat

The larger and immediate context begins at Luke 9:46 where the apostles are arguing about who among them is the greatest. Verse 49 is withing that discussion. Whilst being corrected for trying to see who was the greatest among themselves, John asks about someone outside their immediate group.

Jesus often talked with large crowds, many of whom may have listened and put faith in him, but were unable to leave house and home behind and follow Jesus everywhere. The man doing these things may have been among them.

It seems to me that this is just a continuation of verses 46-48. It is more correction for the attitude of the apostles. To focus on the man from outside the apostle group is probably to miss the main point of the passage. It was the apostles whose attitude needed correcting.

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Do You Take Any Special Vitamins or Meds That You Would Recommend?

by minimus in

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as we get older , we tend to feel the aches and pains or some tiredness like never before.. i have some friends who are in excellent condition and i’ve asked what their secret was.. some swear by cbd oil as a cure all for aches and localized pain.

greek yogurt is a natural food that can attack gut fat as does taking probiotics.

have you found anything that makes you more energized?

Bobcat

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Is your Bible Free of Bias?

by Wonderment in

is your bible free of bias?william d. barrick, professor of old testament wrote in 2001: “biblically based theology has no choice but to be wedded to bible translation.

one’s theology is heavily dependent upon one’s understanding of scripture in translation, whether it is one’s own or that of a published version.

on the other side of the coin, bible translation is inextricably linked with theology.

Bobcat

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They all laughed when I insisted that the Yellowstone caldera was a threat...

by Nathan Natas in

strangely enough, jesus never warned that "there will be wars and rumors of wars, but if the yellowstone caldera blows, we're toast.".

...and jesus' composite bride through the pages of the watchtower, never suggested that deeply-dipped dubs ought to move out of the area downwind of yellowstone, lest they be transformed in the twinkling of an eye into crispy monoliths.. but up here in the uadna orbiting space platform, things are different.

we're rational.

Bobcat

Someone has thought of a way to expedite the eruption: Here.

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"End of All Kingdoms in 1914!" 8-30-1914 World Magazine PDF!

by cabasilas in

over the past 50 odd years, an article that was published in a new york city newspaper in 1914 has been quoted several times in watchtower publications.

this article was published in the august 30, 1914 world about pastor c.t.

russell's predictions for 1914. modern watchtower publications omit the facts from that article that show that russell's predictions for 1914 do not match the watchtower society's current understanding of 1914 as a "marked year.

Bobcat

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Mt: 24/luke 21 does not have a 2nd fulfillment!

by nowwhat? in

the bible clearly says a generation is 40 years (exodus and job) the 1st half of the last century saw wars, famines, pestilence.

if 1914 was the correct starting date the end should have came by the mid 1950's ( which the witnesses believed at the time) this fact alone proves beyond a shadow of a doubt.

jesus was only speaking of the events of the 1st century..

Bobcat

This post and this one (on another board) have links to posts that have extensive research on various parts of the Olivet Discourse and how it was fulfilled in the 1st century.

This post compares Mt 24:15-30 with Rev 16:16-21 (in parallel columns) to show where they are both similar and dissimilar. There are interesting similarities. But the differences make it clear that they (Mt 24:15-30 & Rev 16:16-21) are describing two different things.

They are similar enough that they appear to represent an intentional similarity in pattern. It is in the details where they differ from each other.

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BLONDIE’S FIRST THOUGHTS WT STUDY 2-10-2019 (DECEMBER 2018, PAGES (3-7)

by blondie in

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blondie’s first thoughts wt study 2-10-2019 (december 2018, pages (3-7).

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-december-2018/you-will-be-with-me-in-paradise/.

excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

Bobcat

What is the source of the statement in the 5th century Syriac version?

The Curetonian Syriac (fifth century C.E.) renders Luke 23:43: "Amen, I say to thee to-day that with me thou shalt be in the Garden of Eden.'"--F. C. Burkitt, "The Curetonian Version of the Four Gospels," Vol.I, Cambridge, 1904.

I got this from here. I forgot to put it in my post above. Glad to help you Blondie.

Where this 5th century Syriac version gets interesting is when you read the Wikipedia article on it: Here.

That makes two quotes in the same paragraph with questionable backgrounds. Doing a little checking helps explain why these two quotes were not source referenced.

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BLONDIE’S FIRST THOUGHTS WT STUDY 2-10-2019 (DECEMBER 2018, PAGES (3-7)

by blondie in

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blondie’s first thoughts wt study 2-10-2019 (december 2018, pages (3-7).

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-december-2018/you-will-be-with-me-in-paradise/.

excellent general website: www.jwfacts.com .

Bobcat

"Paragraph 20: Who is the Bible translator of the Middle East mentioned here? What is the source of the statement in the 5th century Syriac version?"

See the first part of this post for an interesting answer to that question.

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Prayerfully Considering or Seeing What Sticks

by scotoma in

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tony says the magical words “prayerfully considering”.

presumably, this has been done many times even when they have gotten things wrong.

have a urim and thummim method of knowing the correct interpretations?

Bobcat

Hi scotoma,

One of the things that has helped me was ditching the WT's interpretive rendering and take on Rev 1:10. The rendering that you quoted moves the verb from its original position in the greek text. If you look in an interlinear you will see that what John "came to be" was "inspired" (literally, "in the spirit"). It was "on the Lord's day" when this took place. Rev 4:2 has a structure very similar to Rev 1:10. The NWT renders Rev 4:2 as the greek text has it. But they alter Rev 1:10 to fit their theological understanding, which is based on their 1914 chronology.

The effect of the WT's rendering is to compress all of the prophecy in Revelation into a much smaller time frame. Imagine taking a digital picture and resizing the width only to a much smaller size. It would create a very distorted image. We had a poster named ex-gilead-missionary (not sure if I got that exactly right) who posted about this a few years ago.

At any rate, here is a little gift for you for your years of effort.

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Scriptural Understanding

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

can all explain what you understand from this verse/how it does or does not connect with the ministry that jdubs do?.

"let us hold fast the public declaration" - hebrews 10:23a nwt.

means "go door to door".

Bobcat

The word in question ("public declaration" - Greek homologia; Strong's 3671) occurs with the same inflection in the NT only at 1Ti 6:12-13. But the word also occurs at: 2Co 9:13; Heb 3:1, 4:14.

The NWT renders it thusly:

2Co 9:13; 1Ti 6:12-13; Heb 4:14; 10:23 = "public declaration"; Heb 3:1 = "acknowledge." You can use this link and just change the translation in the upper right to see how other translations render it in all these verses.

Based on the context of these 6 verses the "confession" appears to be to both insiders and outsiders of the community of believers. I don't see anything that would require it to be only in a door-to-door ministry. Nor anything that would rule it out either as one way to give a 'confession.' (Footnote #17 in the NET speaks of 1Ti 6:12 happening at Timothy's baptism or ordination as a minister. - See here.)