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  Peace and security

  by BourneIdentity in

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  scrolling through the news this morning and i couldn’t help to think we are light years from any leaders crying out peace and security.

  jws are going to have to wait another decade or two and see how things develop before they get excited about armageddon coming in their lifetime.

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  Bobcat

  I had a thread on this topic a few years ago. (Here) The NAC-Thessalonians commentary that is quoted in the OP (of that thread) has a very interesting take on 1Th 5:3. Because of the wording used in 1Th 5:3, it understands the verse to be describing the world's nonchalant view of a coming "day of the Lord." Paul is saying that that attitude already prevailed in his day among non-Christians, and that the world would continue to have that attitude until that "day" suddenly erupted in the lives of humanity. From that standpoint, 1Th 5:3 is not all that different from Luke 17:26-30, which is why Paul could tell the Thessalonians what he did in 1Th 5:1-2.

  It appears to me that many of the comments above are not so much comments on 1Th 5:3 per se, but rather, comments on the WT's long held interpretation of that verse.
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  Kingdom Hall Scheduler

  by Thetruthhurts in

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  i'm sure there's already topics on this but i couldn't find one so i'm starting my own.

  is the kingdom hall scheduling program new?

  is this where they are entering all of the members data now?

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  Bobcat

  If all the scheduling were routed through the Society, is it possible they would get some sort of discount or advantage through the different carriers because of the numbers of people involved (sort of like how they get perks from the hotels when they arrange hotels for conventions)?

  I don't know enough about how phone service works, so I am just guessing at possibilities. An elder sent me an email asking for my carrier also (USA). It seemed a little odd, but I saw no harm in it.
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  8 Documents Arrived Today!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  1.--authorization and release agreementfor disaster relief medical assistance.

  ------------------------------------------------------------------2.--for the attention of all elders------------------------------------------------------------------.

  3.--additional direction regarding assistance with practical needs------------------------------------------------------------------.

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  Bobcat

  Please for Bobcat also. Thank you Petra.
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  Kermit Is Delivering Documents!

  by Atlantis in

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  2. friends

  kermit is delivering documents with his kermit chopper.. https://docdro.id/a01tdj0.

  if you are on the receive list these documents are already in your email.. .

  if your not on the list, then reply below that you want kermit to swing by your place, and drop off a copy in your pm box.. .

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  Bobcat

  Please add me too Petra. And thank you so very much!
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  US Letter Read Sunday 4/26 at Meeting - No KH Use and No Field Service Indefinitely

  by JWTom in

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  2. friends

  there was a letter read sunday at our meeting that mentioned some parts of us are starting to open back up.

  however, regardless of things opening up that no kingdom halls should be used for any meetings of any kind.

  also, no door-to-door ministry or any form of in-person ministry is allowed.

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  Bobcat

  My guess it would be a legal concern for the WT. They don't want anyone claiming they got sick on their property. I guess you can't blame them for that. Also they might know they have to make it very clear to prevent any over zealous elders from doing otherwise. Reading it to the whole congregation would prevent any elder from reinterpreting the directive.

  The letter/announcement was read here too (SE USA). As it is, the authorities are not allowing any groups over 10 to meet in this area.
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  JW patient with covid-19 received blood transfusion

  by adjusted knowledge in

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  i had a patient admitted from a skilled nursing facility/rehab that is an active jw.

  the patient had covid-19 as did most of the patients at that facility.

  typically the local elders are all involved in these admissions but there is a strict no visitor policy which includes clergy.

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  AK,

  Thanks for the discreet report. The WT recently sent a letter out reminding the R&F to have their DPA (aka no-blood card) up to date and to have all their physicians and elders with a copy. So I guess the WT is well aware of the potential in these circumstances.
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  Disunited States of America?

  by jwleaks in

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  recognizing that their states have one integrated regional economy, delaware governor john carney, new york governor andrew m. cuomo, new jersey governor phil murphy, connecticut governor ned lamont, pennsylvania governor tom wolf, and rhode island governor gina raimondo today announced the creation of a multi-state council to restore the economy and get people back to work.

  this announcement builds on the states’ ongoing regional approach to combatting the covid-19 pandemic.. the coordinating group – comprised of one health expert, one economic development expert and the respective chief of staff from each state — will work together to develop a fully integrated regional framework to gradually lift the states’ stay at home orders while minimizing the risk of increased spread of the virus.. https://news.delaware.gov/2020/04/13/governor-carney-and-five-governors-announce-multi-state-council-to-get-people-back-to-work-and-restore-the-economy/.

  meanwhile on the west coast:.

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  Bobcat

  Google Igor Panarin.
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  A Video Series about 607 BC vs 587 BC

  by Londo111 in

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  2. bible

  this is the main series playlist:.

  http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=plynx0om_bmgbfmnapjr_v5fe9_pf8sqa1.

  this is the accompanying video appendix:.

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  Bobcat

  Marked. Thanks for bumping this thread LeeT.
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  Keeping everyone on the hook

  by hoser in

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  i’ve always noticed that the local jw leaders like to give as little notice as possible for local meetings and expect you to drop everything and rearrange your life to fit their agenda in.

  i’ve noticed this more during the pandemic.

  we are not given the codes and time of memorial until a couple hours before meeting.

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  Bobcat

  Some of it could also be the fact that the Zoom app seems to have some security issues. The letter from the WT to the elders about conducting Zoom meetings has a lot to say about handling disturbances during the meeting.

  Keeping the meeting IDs secret until not too long before the meeting begins may be one step to lessen the possibility of hackers. Unless, of course, the 'hacker' is from within the fold.

  Now whether the elders in any particular place have that strategy in mind, or, like was said, simply like to keep people in suspense, that is another issue.
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  Active JW's - Do you see a CONTRADICTION here?

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the bible says this - acts 17:11 “...for they [the beroeans] accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.”.

  km 9/07 p. 3 question box - does “the faithful and discreet slave” endorse independent groups of witnesses who meet together to engage in scriptural research...?.

  and yet, in various parts of the world, a few associates of our organization have formed groups to do independent research on bible-related subjects... some have pursued an independent group study...so as to analyze the accuracy* of the new world translation... for those who wish to do extra bible study and research, we recommend that they explore insight on the scriptures, “all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial,” and our other publications...” .

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  Bobcat

  It's interesting how they condemn the 'extra-curricular' research efforts without actually condemning it.

  It is presented as a sort of shocking discovery that the "F&DS" does not sanction or endorse. But it doesn't directly say not to do those things. To take it the way the WT wants the R&F to take it requires having the WT view of the "F&DS." They then add their own suggestions about what someone might otherwise do if they want to do 'research.'

  People who do this outside research are described as "a few associates of our organization." The description sounds like some on the outside edge of "our organization," not really part of the mainstream of "our organization."

  It is a carefully crafted piece of propaganda. I'll give 'em that much. And for the fully indoctrinated, it says it all.