Using Luke 3:38 as the basis, in Greek Adam's full name would be, Ἀδὰμ τοῦ θεοῦ (Adam [son] of God). But in Hebrew it would be something like, 'Adam ben Elohim. Cain would be Qayin ben 'Adam.
Posts by Bobcat
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12What Should Have Been Their "Surname" or "Last Name"?
by titch inok, folks, so here's my question.
now then, assuming that you believe that there was an actual first man and a first woman, as the bible propounds, that had the name of "adam" and "eve" (as we have called them, in the english language) well, what do you think that their surname or last name would have been, or should have been?
that is, if they had surnames way back then, in the so-called "beginning" of human existence?
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Search match
by Etude inis there a way to search topics where you and another user made comments?
i'm looking for the interaction i had with another user on several topics.. thanks.. etuce..
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Bobcat
You could try a site search:
From Google type site:www.jehovahs-witness.com etude bobcat
I did get one hit with this. But when I tried a couple of other names it didn't return anything. So maybe I am missing something or need to refine the search. But it is worth a try.
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Annual Meeting
by sove inis it the annual meeting this weekend?
any insights on "new light" or new releases?.
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Bobcat
They are almost through and nothing about locusts so far.
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Annual Meeting
by sove inis it the annual meeting this weekend?
any insights on "new light" or new releases?.
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Watchtower Admits To Using Your Family As a Pagan "Weapon" of Tyranny
by Sea Breeze in.... just 5 years after they wrote this, they started doing what they condemned!
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A Question For The Scholarly Re Gilgamesh
by jonahstourguide inhi all.. read this article re the gilgamesh clay tablet.. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-21/us-returns-gilgamesh-tablet-to-iraq/100478858.
how does it impact the dating of the biblical flood?
it seems earlier.. i am going to do some research myself to make a comparison.. it's interesting as i have not previously heard of the tablet but have heard of the.
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Bobcat
Try this post (off-site). It posits a chronological model using the MT, but modified with the LXX, SP & Josephus where they differ for seven post flood patriarchs. The difference puts the flood back 650 years to 2953 BCE. (WT places the flood at 2370/69 BCE. But that is based on a 1513 BCE exodus and a 997 BCE split in the kingdom of Israel. Nor does it take into account any differences with LXX/SP/Josephus.)
The chart in the link is premised on an exodus date of 1446 BCE, and 430 years between the covenant with Abraham and the exodus. This places Jacob and his family in Egypt for 215 years (based on Ex 12:40-41 LXX/SP)
The post just before the linked one has a link to a population calculator that will allow playing with the numbers. A couple of factors that may skew the population calculator are the wider spread practice of polygamy and the longer lifespans reported in the Bible for the several centuries after the flood. These factors would tend to cause larger populations.
It is interesting how population growth is exponential in nature. Small increases in birth rates, over lengthy periods, can produce huge differences in population.
Just for some example numbers: You could start with 8 (post flood survivors), and about 400 years to the building of the tower at Babel. Or about 1500 years from the flood to the exodus. (The Torah reports roughly 600,000 grown men in the Israelite camp at the exodus.)
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Finally, Finally, - Editorial says Jehovah’s Witnesses elder did exactly the right thing by reporting to police.
by was a new boy in'unanswered questions — disturbing ones — surround the case of a former school health aide charged with three second-degree felony counts of molesting a child.. here’s what we know: santa fe police arrested 30-year-old robert apodaca in july over allegations he sexually abused a boy in 2019, including at the school nurse’s office at gonzales community school.. .
apodaca and the boy knew each other through the north santa fe congregation of jehovah’s witnesses.
an elder at the congregation reported apodaca to police after the family came to him in june.
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Bobcat
That was my first thought also. I imagine it would never have occurred to the newspaper to ask about that.
If the elder actually did that, he would be untrustworthy as far as WT is concerned.
My second thought was that this was arranged by WT for the elder to do this for PR purposes. That is, they wait for a case with circumstances that suit the Society and then have the elder report it to police just to show that they can do that.
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"Seven nations more populous than you are"
by FFGhost ini wrote this up a few months ago:.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5087628499091456/camp-israel-problem-pooping.
this other little nugget from deuteronomy caught my eye as well:.
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Bobcat
The words rendered "populous" and "more populous" in the NWT are the same word in the Hebrew (Strong's # 7227). The word basically means "many" or "great." It is possible to understand the first occurrence in Deut 7:1 to refer to 'many nations,' or 'great nations,' rather than 'many people' (as in population).
The second occurrence of the term is rendered "more populous" in the NWT, and could also be rendered as 'great' or 'greater' or 'larger,' rather than "more populous." (See the BibleHub translation listing here.)
But even if the word is meant in reference to population, it is also possible that the writer is speaking of these seven nations as being collectively "more populous." The NAC-Deuteronomy commentary suggests that that is one way to read the text. (p.177)
That would pare down 24,000,000 to a number larger than that of Israel, but still far less than 24 million.
One other point to note: A chronology based on the MT alone places the flood at around 2303 BCE (with variations according to who you cite). But if you factor in the LXX & SP regarding the post flood patriarchs (a 650 year increase), the date of the flood becomes ~ 2953 BCE. (For example, see here.)
The reason I point that out is because if one dates Israel's entry into the promised land at 1406 BCE (as many do), that allows for roughly 1550 years of human population growth after the flood, making a promised land population in the millions quite feasible. (For example, using this calculator, and a starting population of 8, and 1550 years, and a 1.2 % growth rate, gives an ending population of nearly 57 million.)
Of course, the 1.2 % growth rate is simply a guess. Reportedly, human population rose from ~1 billion in 1800 CE to about 7.7 billion now (220 years). This is a growth rate of about .935 %. So my guess of a 1.2 % growth rate above was predicated/guesstimated on the longer post-flood life spans reported in the Bible and more prevalent polygamy. But my point is that mathematically and linguistically, it would have been quite possible for the nations of the promised land to have (collectively) outnumbered Israel, even using a 2 or 2.5 million figure for Israel when they entered the promised land.
(Using a starting population of 8, 1550 years, and 1.3 % growth rate gives an ending population of nearly 4 billion. 1.2 % gave an ending population of about 57 million. Such is the exponential nature of population growth.)
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What do you think about Nehemia Gordon theory regarding "Yehovah" as God's name pronunciation that never got completely lost?
by psyco innehemia gordon, in his book "shattering the conspiracy of silence", argues that "yehovah" is god's name pronunciation and it has never got completely lost, giving a linguistic explanation.
what do you think about that?.
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Bobcat
Have you read the book? If so, I was curious what you think about it.
What is the gist of his argument about the Name?
Curious posters want to know.
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The parable of the trees! (Judges 9:8-15
by slimboyfat indo you recall reading this passage before?
i came across this it yesterday while preparing a bible presentation on trees.
i had no idea this passage existed.
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Bobcat
For any interested, here (off-site) is a page (with links) that shows the literary structure of the book of Judges. The account about Abimelech can be found in the "E^" portion.
Constable's Notes has this to say about the parable:
Jotham’s fable was a parable with a moral (cf. 2 Sam. 12:1-4; 2 Kings 14:9-10). It is generally recognized as the first parable in the Bible. The olive and fig trees and the grape vine represented productive human beings, oil, figs, and wine being among the most important products of Canaan. Brambles bore no fruit and offered no shelter or protection. They only injured those who got too close to them. Moreover they spontaneously burst into flames in hot weather and sometimes caused much damage consequently (v. 15). Obviously the bramble represented Abimelech, the trees and vine more noble individuals, and the cedars of Lebanon the upright leaders of Shechem.
There are some elements in Jotham's parable that are used in other portions of the Bible. But there is no clear connection or reference to the parable with any other portion of the Bible (based on a search thru The Commentary on the New Testament Use of the Old Testament).