http://news.yahoo.com/study-ancestors-used-fire-million-years-ago-190741815.html.
when i was in, articles like this always used to rub my cognicent dissanence the wrong way .
how can jw's and other fundamentalist religion's except adam and eve as the start of all mankind some 6000 years ago?.
And for what reason do you consider adherents of the Humanism religion to be more trustworthy than promoters of Christianity?
I wonder if these are the same people who told you Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or that Muslims did 911?
Ive learnt to trust nobody, especially those who have made so much money that they own and control the information they get you to see.
now matthew 24 was written about the end times, which i do belive we are fast approaching, (as opposed to 100 years ago), at verse 48 we read of a religion that isnt a false religion for it has been classed as a slave of the "master" who is jesus.. now this evil slave has two identifying features i wish to ponder, it considers jesus arrival to be late, this implies a religion that has set an expectation of jesus arrival at a certain time for said non-arrival to be considered delayed.. it also beats its fellow slaves or religious brothers as a result of this delay.. .
the first point, which christian religions have been waiting for the masters arrival for such a long time that they now consider him delayed, obviously delayed from the time they where expecting him.. .
having read crisis of conscience and read accounts of annointed who have been disfellowshipped or beaten by thier fellow slaves in the organisation, and especially over the 1914 doctrine which ties the being beaten to the delay.. can you think of any other christian religion that fullfils the criteria for evil slave more than the watchtower society?.
Another thing, Jesus doesnt say, "Who is the Faithfull and Discreet Slave", he says, "Who really is the Faithfull and Discreet Slave", might this possibly suggest that he knew a religion would claim such a position falsely?
by "shadow elder".
before i express my opinion to the readers and contributors to this website (www.ex-jw.com), i would like to explain who i am and to present my bona fides as someone qualified to comment on this website and jehovah's witnesses in general.. first of all, i am an active jehovah's witness living just outside of new york city.
being a large metropolis, new york has many kingdom halls located within the city and several more in surrounding boroughs, counties, and suburbs.
Yes I know poopsiecakes, and thankyou I consule myself with Jesus instruction that you have to be like a child to get into his kingdom.
is this a fair question to put to jehovah / yahweh or whoever ?
in all sincerity i do not mean any disrespect to any beleivers in the god of the bible, but this is a truly remarkable age with communication advances incomparable with 2000 years ago , if the creator or jesus christ were truly interested in giving everybody the chance of everlasting life , wouldn`t they be giving people the opportunity to hear a more current up to date warning now ?
and not relying on messages in languages that are not in use today and are subject to so many different interpretations ?.
"Second Test", yes I had forgotten that JW doctrine Tammy, I wonder what scripture they use to back that up with, maybe they where hoping to get us to keep reading the Watchtower for another 1000 yearsfor fear we might otherwise fail the test.
As if man would ever be able to prove the Devil right by being like God and being able to chose good depite knowing bad.
Another thing I dont agree with thats related, the JWs say the resurrection occurs throughout the 1000 years and JWs teach them the "truth", yet when I read Revelation 20 it lists the resurrection occuring after the 1000 years have ended!. Now Jws will teach that Jesus got the order of things wrong when he reaveled the Revelation, but Revelation 20 says when the dead come out of the sea, death and Hades, that they are judged according to what is written about them in the book and those not written in the book of life go straight to the second death, it doesnt say anything about the dead being brought back to life and failing some test.
Likewise ! Cor 15 says Jesus reigns until all enemies are destroyed, the last enemy being death, this implies people will still be dying, not being destroyed for death is described as an enemy whereas destruction is an action of God, so yes, people still dying during the 1000 reign, which mayvbe fits in better with Isaiah 65 where I feel its saying, people will indeed live a lot longer, somebody dying at 100 being cnsidered a mere child, but still dying nontheless. Then at the end of the 1000 years, when death is finally destroyed, thats when the dead, both pre, and during Christs reign are resurrected, to eternal life or the second death.
And then will be no more Death, after the 1000 years, not beforew, thats what it says in Rev 21 when the New Heavens and Earth come, "No more Death"!
is this a fair question to put to jehovah / yahweh or whoever ?
in all sincerity i do not mean any disrespect to any beleivers in the god of the bible, but this is a truly remarkable age with communication advances incomparable with 2000 years ago , if the creator or jesus christ were truly interested in giving everybody the chance of everlasting life , wouldn`t they be giving people the opportunity to hear a more current up to date warning now ?
and not relying on messages in languages that are not in use today and are subject to so many different interpretations ?.
Unless God cut those days short, no flesh would be saved. (Or something like that I seem to remember a scripture saying).
If it is God thats doing all this killing, does he have to hold himself back or something in case he kills everybody?
I wonder if a lot of the killing thats done leading up to Christs reign, isnt actually God himself doing it, but the works of Man under the Devils direction towards the etablishment of, and as a result of, his New World Order with its 42 month reign?
Now, I wonder if Tammy is thinking along these lines that another ex Sister woke me up too, is there going to be two Armageddons? the one at the beginning of the thousand years that the JWs use, and another one at the end? For there will be one at the end, when the Devil gathers all the nations of the earth to come up against the Holy City, I think a lot of those scriptures quoted here are refering to the end of the 1000 years, not the beginning, and why shouldnt God protect his people from those who wish to destroy them? We expect our own leaders to protect us in this way.
I dont think there is going to be a soon to come Armeggedon, I think a lot of poeple will die soon, as a result of the tribulations and the sort of plagues of Revelation that God also visited on the Eygptions, but didnt totally annialate them, but it wont be a total destruction of most of the worlds population at Gods hand.
As an aside, I dont think only Gods people survive the beginning of Jesus reign, I think, just as Moses did, Jesus is going to lead his people into Jerusalem, the survivers of the ungodly will still remain on Earth and as seperate nations, except they wont have Satan leading them, that these Nations will witness for themselves how better off Gods people will be, just as occurred with the Israelites, and that the people gnashing thier teeth outside, wont be figurative, but literal, and at the end of the 1000 years, these nations will be stirred up by Satan to attack Gods people, it wont be a load of resurrected JWs that go bad at the end of the 1000 years that never made sense to me, it will be the same ungodly that we have now, but with Gods people in there midst just like the earlier pattern.
by "shadow elder".
before i express my opinion to the readers and contributors to this website (www.ex-jw.com), i would like to explain who i am and to present my bona fides as someone qualified to comment on this website and jehovah's witnesses in general.. first of all, i am an active jehovah's witness living just outside of new york city.
being a large metropolis, new york has many kingdom halls located within the city and several more in surrounding boroughs, counties, and suburbs.
Whilst a lot of what the Watchtower teaches is plainly wrong, at the same time, can somebody point me to another religion that is not even more wrong?
Iam in the position where I would Love to attend a church that teaches truth, for the same reasons I originally joined the JWs, that hasnt changed, I would go back to the JWs because I think most of them are about the nicest people you can meet, thats probably why half of them are still in it.
I would go back to the JWs except that they wouldnt have me because I reject some of them self exaulting doctrines so I would have to lie which Iam not going to do.
So I find life quite lonely, as a Christian with no "Truth" to go to.
Maybe when Jesus really does come, he will chose the JWs, but only after "cleansing the house of God" first.
I do agree with a lot of what this person is saying, seems to me like the basis for a good religion thats been hi-jacked by an evil slave who disfellowships any of the annointed who might well be being lead by Gods Spirit, but because it doesnt harmonise with thier doctrines of men, the real new light gets thrown out along with the Prophet that brought it, maybe its along the lines of apostate Israel when they where Gods people but killed the prophets God sent.
My point being, I wish God would save this religion and bring 100% proof to it, there are a lot of people I really Love still in it and that work hard, I was brought to a knowledge and relationship of God through thier hard work, so though they have many errors and Idolatrous opinions of themselves, they have good points as well, I would like to see them all brought to a true Spiritual Paradise.
I do fear though that when the real Two Witnesses arrive and do restore true worship, a lot of those witnesses are going to do the very same thing the Jews did, which is to worship thier religion rather than God and I would rather than not happen to a single one of them.
So I think this fellow is trying to do some good.
just wondering...if less adult food is also coming out....
Maybe the Virgins are running out of oil?
They certainly seem to have fallen asleep to current world events that fullfill Bible prophesy more than thier dreams of 1914 and 1919 from which they need to wake up from.
I occasionally speak to an active JW at work, I ask him to let me know when and if the Organisation ever prints anything about World Government or use the term "New World Order". They claim to be "on the watch, and "Awake", yet every Tom Dick and Harry who doesnt even belive in God can see the fullfillment of Revelation whereas those who have asigned themselves the lofty position of the Watchers, seem to have fallen asleep up in thier tower.
No wonder they cannot think of what to write, except for recounting thier dreams of when they where awake.
now matthew 24 was written about the end times, which i do belive we are fast approaching, (as opposed to 100 years ago), at verse 48 we read of a religion that isnt a false religion for it has been classed as a slave of the "master" who is jesus.. now this evil slave has two identifying features i wish to ponder, it considers jesus arrival to be late, this implies a religion that has set an expectation of jesus arrival at a certain time for said non-arrival to be considered delayed.. it also beats its fellow slaves or religious brothers as a result of this delay.. .
the first point, which christian religions have been waiting for the masters arrival for such a long time that they now consider him delayed, obviously delayed from the time they where expecting him.. .
having read crisis of conscience and read accounts of annointed who have been disfellowshipped or beaten by thier fellow slaves in the organisation, and especially over the 1914 doctrine which ties the being beaten to the delay.. can you think of any other christian religion that fullfils the criteria for evil slave more than the watchtower society?.
Now Matthew 24 was written about the end times, which I do belive we are fast approaching, (as opposed to 100 years ago), at verse 48 we read of a religion that isnt a false religion for it has been classed as a slave of the "Master" who is Jesus.
Now this Evil slave has two identifying features I wish to ponder, it considers Jesus arrival to be late, this implies a religion that has set an expectation of Jesus arrival at a certain time for said non-arrival to be considered delayed.
It also beats its fellow slaves or religious brothers as a result of this delay.
The first point, which Christian religions have been waiting for the Masters arrival for such a long time that they now consider him delayed, obviously delayed from the time they where expecting him.
Having read Crisis of Conscience and read accounts of Annointed who have been disfellowshipped or beaten by thier fellow slaves in the organisation, and especially over the 1914 doctrine which ties the being beaten to the delay.
Can you think of any other Christian religion that fullfils the criteria for Evil Slave more than the Watchtower Society?
and things are within a week or two of being d.a.ed/d.f.ed, and my jw best friend sent me an email to check how i was doing.
i was fairly sure that he was very much on the edge of leaving to, or at least that he didn't believe it for a long time.
so i sent him an email in reply and told him basically everything i believed and the reasons i knew jws are not the true religion, and i also told him i was leaving.
I would say the reason there is peace and good behaviour in the JWs is that its made up of people who want peace, they want God and his kingdom etc, thats why they are there!
The fact that maybe the Devil comes along and snatches up good people with one of his many religions doesnt then make that religion itself good, its just that the bad religion is full of good people.
this is an honest question on my part.
someone on this board asked me 'how do you know' a while ago and i really struggled with it.
in fact, it was a turning point for me.
Still Thinking,
I have felt like you about God when I was falling away, but when I think about it, what other way is there?
What if he did save those Russian Christains but not starving Africans? He would be then accussed of being a racist God, or people would be flocking to become Chrisstians for the wrong reasons, like rice Christians.
Or how about he stops all suffering, runs around after the Devil cleaning up his mess so people can say, "the Devil was right you know, we can do what ever we like and look, nobodies suffering!"
When Jesus takes over, it is then that suffering ends.
As for your question of did I feel the Spirit more when in the stronger and more encouraging congregation?
To be honest, I felt it more when I was home on my own, especially if I had been out on the field service on my own which I often did of an evening after I finished work.
When I went to the new congregation, surely if it was an internal feeling I should have been hyped up that I gad sold my house, moved 200 miles, totally on my own yet at the mercy of God in order to as I fantisised, further carry out his will?, yet it was as if God no longer knew where I was, totally nothing.
One of the sisters of this new cong, when accompanying me to my old cong fro a visit, remarked that it felt as Spiritual as Bethel school in comparison, I really think something was going on up there that stopped the Holy Spirit and that it wasnt just me that noticed it.
Actually, I jjust remembered a time up there where I gid experience the Spirit quite strongly, I was waiting at the railway station, not praying or talking or even thinking about God, when I got off the train and got to my parked car, I found it had been broken into and my suit and quite a lot of my clothing had been stolen. That Spirit did comfort me, but no, you are right, it shouldnt really be like that that we have to constantly aproach a loving God to get any acknowledgement back from him, so I wonder if there is a reason we are unaware of?, maybe the Devil demands God not steal his "subjects", unless they go willingly of their own validition with no prompting from God at all?
