LisaRose - "I got into this religion in the first place because I was a little gullible and I try not to repeat my mistakes."
priceless.
Tylinbrando
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The same month I lost my faith in God was when I was appointed an elder
by Most Noble inmy appointment came just when i started having mixed feelings about the existence of god and wt's legitimacy.
isn't it ironic?.
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Whitney Heichel killed by multiple gunshots
by AndersonsInfo inautopsy - whitney killed by multiple gunshots.. http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/autopsy-whitney-killed-by-multiple-gunshots/pfbmma18luksrgnszxpxfq.cspx.
salem, ore. -- the oregon state medical examiner's office announced monday the death of 21-year-old whitney heichel was caused by multiple gunshot wounds.
heichel's body was found friday afternoon on larch mountain in east multnomah county.. .
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Tylinbrando
I question it even being newsworthy as this stuff goes on all the time. We find it interesting on here for the obvious reasons, but had they been of another faith I wouldnt have even clicked the link. Not to sound callous but it would have been just another young white woman missing to me. Maybe the JW factor fascinates nonJWs?
I would tend to agree with this, however, looking at the hundreds of article and facebook post threads it appears there are a lot of non JW/xJW posters. People are enraged the murder has become focused on the JW religion and they are voicing their disdain. Apparently it is capturing the attention of a diverse band of people.
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Whitney Heichel killed by multiple gunshots
by AndersonsInfo inautopsy - whitney killed by multiple gunshots.. http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/autopsy-whitney-killed-by-multiple-gunshots/pfbmma18luksrgnszxpxfq.cspx.
salem, ore. -- the oregon state medical examiner's office announced monday the death of 21-year-old whitney heichel was caused by multiple gunshot wounds.
heichel's body was found friday afternoon on larch mountain in east multnomah county.. .
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Tylinbrando
He may say that ZID,especially because he was spiritually weak being an "irregular attender" , but we all know the JWs will claim it was the Demons talking to him. May be the basis for his defense...?
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The same month I lost my faith in God was when I was appointed an elder
by Most Noble inmy appointment came just when i started having mixed feelings about the existence of god and wt's legitimacy.
isn't it ironic?.
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Carry on Most Noble. Those who don't want to read your posts can skip them. Did you really help 47 out of one congregation and go unscathed? That is remarkable because JWs are prone to gossip and rat apostates out even when they are on their own exit plan. Whatever, perhaps it was an exageration. If it was 47 over many years and many congregations I would totally buy it.
I am keeping my own tally private.
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JW Tragic murder was by JW
by snare&racket inhttp://www.katu.com/news/local/report-holt-heichel-were-members-of-same-church-175169201.html.
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how sad......
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Tylinbrando
This in the comment section of the CafeMom article sums it up pretty damn well.
"Nonmember comment from ~~~~~~~
on Oct 22, 2012 at 6:23 PM When I heard about this story the first thing I thought was what the writer did. I've lived it, the only diffrence is I chose to lose every friend and family I had to be happy. I was a JW for almost 30 years. I'm sure Jonathan Holt chose murder over being SHUNNED by friends and family. It's called "disfellowshiping", it is a mental abuse tactic JW's use. JW's get married very young because they want to have sex because having sex before you are married is a "disfellowshiping" offense. Most JW's are miserable because they married the wrong person but you have to stay married or you are "disfellowshiped". JW's even have a book your local elders can get from the branch office that is all about how to get custody away from a disfellowshiped parent. The fear that is ingrained in you is traumatic and now a young woman is dead because a young man did not want to be shunned by everyone he had ever known, including his parents. I have not even put a dent in how f'ed up JW's are, google Candice Contie and you will be very well informed on how JW's know children are molested and the police are never called. It's the two witness rule, all you JW's know what I'm talking about. " Unfortunately, because of the nature of JWs, the world looking on is going to scrutinize them instead of focusing on a cold blooded murder. Of course they will cry persecution, but really aren't they bringing it on by trying to minimize the status of Holt as one of Jehovah's Wintnesses. Stereotypical WBTS hypocrisy.
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Should "Irregulars" Have Psyc Evaluations?
by watson innow that we've found out that the murderer holt was an "irregular" we can all relax.
he wasn't a "regular" witness.
gawd, this reminds me of the witness attempt to assuage their guilt over the conti case, because he wasn't an elder...... .
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The JWs are trying to separate themselves from Holt pointing to his "irregular attendance" If they wouldn't polarize their stance of being "no part of the world" alienating the majority of humans observing them, they would not be suffering the attacks in the media regarding this murder that they are. Notice what the Watchtower states regarding "irregular" ones.(thanks to Blondie for the post)
*** w93 7/15 p. 27 Tenderly Shepherding Jehovah’s Precious Sheep ***
"Inactivity in the ministry(door to door proselitizing) or in attending Christian meetings does not mean that the sheep is no longer part of the flock. He remains part of “all the flock” for whom the elders must “render an account” to Jehovah." -
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Whitney Heichel killed by multiple gunshots
by AndersonsInfo inautopsy - whitney killed by multiple gunshots.. http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/autopsy-whitney-killed-by-multiple-gunshots/pfbmma18luksrgnszxpxfq.cspx.
salem, ore. -- the oregon state medical examiner's office announced monday the death of 21-year-old whitney heichel was caused by multiple gunshot wounds.
heichel's body was found friday afternoon on larch mountain in east multnomah county.. .
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Whitney Heichels Murderer Was a "Brother"
by daringhart13 inthe girl killed in oregon....found murdered......was killed by a 'brother' in her congregation.. its all hitting the fan in gresham, oregon.
i really hope this wasn't an affair gone bad.
they went to the same congregation and lived in the same apartment complex.. yep.....spiritual paradise.. not going to lie...........i'm filled with rage right now..
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The statement, released by family spokesman Jim Vaughn, said the family, and congregation, was shocked to find out Holy was arrested and connected to the case.
Full Statement: "We were completely shocked to find out that Jonathan Holt, an irregular attendee of our meetings, was arrested and would be in any way tied to this case as a suspect. Jehovah's Witness regard life as precious, a gift from God. We had no indications that would lead us, prior to this event that he would be capable of being involved in what is alleged to have happened. We have no knowledge of the events that led up to what took place with the disappearance of Whitney and know none of the details of what took place after her abduction. We will await the authorities' investigation, and fully cooperate with them as they work through this numbing and disturbing case. Our local congregations especially feel the pain. So many families have been severely impacted by this senseless act of violence committed against our daughter, sister, and friend. Jonathans wife is too an innocent victim, and our love and support is as strong for her and her family. It will take a long time for her to heal. With God's help, and assistance from our brothers and sisters, we will recover and use our experience to help others (sic)"
Isnt everyone an irregular attendee? He was married in the Kingdom hall which means he was in good standing. Perhaps he wasn't getting the national average in field service hours since mid 2010 when married. If the statement released is false, it will be uncovered during the investigation and Elders and records will be subpoenaed to determine what kind of history Hiechel and Holt had.
It appears Holt may have chosen Murder over Disfellowshipping and being shunned.
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Whitney Heichels Murderer Was a "Brother"
by daringhart13 inthe girl killed in oregon....found murdered......was killed by a 'brother' in her congregation.. its all hitting the fan in gresham, oregon.
i really hope this wasn't an affair gone bad.
they went to the same congregation and lived in the same apartment complex.. yep.....spiritual paradise.. not going to lie...........i'm filled with rage right now..
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Tylinbrando
No worries HART...it is a horrific story and one I think many of us will be following closely as it unfolds because we want to know what the hell happened. So sad that such beautiful young kids that appeared so happy could be struck with such tragedy and pain.
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Whitney Heichels Murderer Was a "Brother"
by daringhart13 inthe girl killed in oregon....found murdered......was killed by a 'brother' in her congregation.. its all hitting the fan in gresham, oregon.
i really hope this wasn't an affair gone bad.
they went to the same congregation and lived in the same apartment complex.. yep.....spiritual paradise.. not going to lie...........i'm filled with rage right now..
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