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Posts by ammo
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31Is There a Such Thing as Progressive Understanding?
by Recovery inis there such a thing as progressive understanding of god's will?
a simple yes or no will suffice, but if you'd like to state why, please by all means do so..
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Is There a Such Thing as Progressive Understanding?
by Recovery inis there such a thing as progressive understanding of god's will?
a simple yes or no will suffice, but if you'd like to state why, please by all means do so..
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ammo
Thats what I got informed about less than an hour ago, from some very very genuine witness's. It sound's like a continuation of "the Light get's brighter to me"
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At this moment what do you feel like eating??
by on the rocks ini would love to have a choclate cake!!!
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Please do, infact I think there's room for two in the ambo as well. :)
It probably sounds pretty heavy, its winter here in Oz,( still not freezin though)
the summer version I will post at a later date
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At this moment what do you feel like eating??
by on the rocks ini would love to have a choclate cake!!!
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I've never eaten puppy, and I have'nt had meat for 2 months so for me it would have to be......
Rib eye on the bone, garlic/rosemary infused- kobe or wagyu, olive oil n garlic baked potatoes, with pumpkin/kumara done in honey and olive oil baked, a cauliflower gratin done in King Island cream and nice red wine jus andnnnnd abeautiful freshly baked foccacia studded with semi dried tomatoes,kalamata olive's rosemary and fine dusting of sea salt...... followed by a Guy Grossi Tiramisu all washed down with a nice husky Merlot...
Than call an ambulance...... please.
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Why get "personal" when discussing a topic?
by Terry intrading insults happens among kids all the time.. intellectual development hasn't progressed to the point where they can present contrary ideas and opinions with persuasive appeal to reasons, facts and logic.. "i know you are; but what am i?".
"your momma's so fat....".
so, they fall back on childish mocking, provocation and personal attack.. as we grow older and have more education and sophistication our minds should mature---or so you'd think!.
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Dear Tec, :) + x to you, you're extreme patience and faith, blended with genuine compassion is transparent to me.
St, I understand what you are saying in regard to your post, but as far as a believer, well the only thing I believe in these days is fair play, I have not picked up a bible since I walked out on the 5th of april this year, I can't even look at it, I do see the frustration for both sides of the coin. The Song thats rolling around in my head these days is John Lennon's - 'God' song .....
Talesin, greetings to you! I should of been more clear in my post, I was in a hurry-I apologize because yes people that tell there story are warmly received. It was actually the content I was hesitant to bring up, the errr well lets say unexplained phenomena side of things is/ can be met with disbelief,to say the least, understandably.
James i can only apologize for the 'closemindedness' and hope that it will become more open and flexible, I don't want to reside in the peanut gallery forever.
And Terry, dear Terry, yes my dear man I too thought by the end of it that post was a bit 'Windy n long' aside from the whaaa whaaa emotional bleating of it though, I still stand by it. I'll try to take a feather from your cap in regard to the length of things xx
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Why get "personal" when discussing a topic?
by Terry intrading insults happens among kids all the time.. intellectual development hasn't progressed to the point where they can present contrary ideas and opinions with persuasive appeal to reasons, facts and logic.. "i know you are; but what am i?".
"your momma's so fat....".
so, they fall back on childish mocking, provocation and personal attack.. as we grow older and have more education and sophistication our minds should mature---or so you'd think!.
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St,
I'm not saying you are combative, I said some people(anywhere in this world) are surely you agree on this,or can see this to some extent, and to be honest I'm such a slow typer by the time I have sent something off its 3 odd pages up the road. I can't even cut and paste (opening arms for ridicule)
If it seem s as though I am critisizing others its actully the actions not the person, I'm sorry if you thought otherwise, there's a few threads like this going on at the moment there must be some truth in it if old and new posters are in agreeince.
Also in regard to jumping in on things well...I know you MAY scoff but I feel at this point in time other than my own personal experiences in life I have nothing to offer, I'm not well read to ALL the subjects on here, and feel like most of the time I would be a hindrance more than a help to others. I also think we can just keep fanning the flames which seems pointless.
I understand what you say about your past REALLY I do, you were brought up in a violent home which suxs majorly,it leaves scars. l I was brought up in a home where you did not dare question anything, you were told what to do and when to do, and the one thing/emotion I can say I took out of all my childhood was a deep shame that somehow I was not worthy enough to contribute to jack shit. Do you know I sooo wanted to post my story on here(would of taken a week to write it) but I did'nt because it felt like I would be told I was full of shit, and to put some of the deeply personal things I WANTED to share up for shredding by others put me off. I'm not saying we all have to pat each other on the back and not question anything truly I'm not, its just some enviroments promote honesty of thought and intent rather than provacation of an individual. We all know when we are pushing someone's buttons,
Its not about boo hoo poor me, although it was for along time, its just and please try to understand me on this, we can get our points across without reducing others to rubble. That last paragraph about the venon etc was uncalled for, I apologize, I read BOTR's thread and felt frustrated that yet another well liked poster was questioning there existance on their site,-what ever people thought of AGUEST she had as much right as anyone to be here, personally I think some of the vivd color on this international mural has dulled in her absence, but she left because of the insults, she said herself she was 'brokenhearted' we can both understand that.
Anyway I've got to go I'm heading out am already late due to slow as keyboard skills, I can do a 12 course degustation for 500, yet can't find my way round a keyboard Kay Sara.
Take it easy ST and have a good night over there in good ol Aoteoroa, I miss the paua. (sigh)
Ammo
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Why get "personal" when discussing a topic?
by Terry intrading insults happens among kids all the time.. intellectual development hasn't progressed to the point where they can present contrary ideas and opinions with persuasive appeal to reasons, facts and logic.. "i know you are; but what am i?".
"your momma's so fat....".
so, they fall back on childish mocking, provocation and personal attack.. as we grow older and have more education and sophistication our minds should mature---or so you'd think!.
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If you think like a victim you will be one.
True very true.
Treat others as you want to be treated, thats the way I think, ok I could go all 'hateful' or put others down but it would serve no purpose , except to make someone else feel like shit, its not my ambition in life or on this site.
Sorry if it shocks/pisses you off, if you cannot see that the insults on some threads hold no purpose but to pull a crowd, than maybe that is where you are lacking in something. STARTING a thread to mock someone/s time and time again serves no one but the OP and the hangers on. You can call it anyway you want but thats the way I see it. JUST ME.
Look through eyes that are actually open and fair in regard to hearing others and you may find that all this tooing and froing of certain subjects gets people nowhere but pissed off or hurt, or is it the intention to alienate so theres a tight little group of people who all are in agreeince to the same way of thinking because well its a FACT dammit and LOGICAL AND science has proved it. Yes there majors but not everything in life.
Some people are naturally combative, others well it makes them sick to the stomach, you equate that with weakness, I equate it to be a sign of reasonableness conducive to healthy discussion. I do recognise how differant we all are, I work with upto 20 odd guys at once most of the time I am the only female, I listen to antagonizing arseholes all day(at work) long, funny thing is when those extremely opininated and without any compassion individuals are called out on it, they BOO HOO the most, generally threatening to walk, its a real case of dish it out but can't take it.
As far as Terry, well the 'Magic thinking' thread was the first of his I read, it made alot of sense, but don't make the mistake as to being a victim is only if you chose that way, we are all victims of something even our own ego's.
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Why get "personal" when discussing a topic?
by Terry intrading insults happens among kids all the time.. intellectual development hasn't progressed to the point where they can present contrary ideas and opinions with persuasive appeal to reasons, facts and logic.. "i know you are; but what am i?".
"your momma's so fat....".
so, they fall back on childish mocking, provocation and personal attack.. as we grow older and have more education and sophistication our minds should mature---or so you'd think!.
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I think this site was designed to help trauma not cause it- BOTR
No BOTR you are not alone with your feelings on all this,as usual you make a lot of sense, I am like you in the way that I want this to be a positive experience and see the growth within myself, its easy to get angry about whats being written here- (this site) sometimes when its a blatent stab at individuals. Its not about farting rainbows and shining halo's it's just a little respect for each others opinions, progressing to a discussion and not a gangland massacre, it saddens me that after all the crap you have to go to, to even get the nerve up to check out a site like this, than join, than try to participate with a bunch of people that have all been there and done that, that there is so little regard for anyone else's views, in particular beliefs. Theres so much more I wanted to write but I know its no good to even try to reason with some, they are just hell bent on ridiculing, mocking and declaring others mentally unfit.
Now where have we ALL heard/seen that before.
It sucks reading that people like talsin are hesitant to start threads, she's been here 9 odd years WTF is up with that, how long does it take to feel ok about starting a thread on your thoughts/ideas/beliefs here.
Or do you just have to have a venomous rotten to the core mindset, where proving yourself right, and bludgeoning the life out of another human being is more satisfying than any other road that could be taken.
EGO'S!!!
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Introducing Mrs Cedars...
by cedars ini just thought you should know that mrs cedars has finally taken the plunge and joined the forum.
she was able to log on for the first time yesterday.. though we both "awakened" at different stages, mrs cedars was very supportive and non-judgmental when i first began exploring my beliefs from a critical standpoint.
she is currently in the process of reading crisis of conscience and aquainting herself with some of the facts of witness history that were hitherto unknown.
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Hi Mrs Ceders
Welcome to the board , looking forward to swapping some recipes over a or
Ammo
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Why get "personal" when discussing a topic?
by Terry intrading insults happens among kids all the time.. intellectual development hasn't progressed to the point where they can present contrary ideas and opinions with persuasive appeal to reasons, facts and logic.. "i know you are; but what am i?".
"your momma's so fat....".
so, they fall back on childish mocking, provocation and personal attack.. as we grow older and have more education and sophistication our minds should mature---or so you'd think!.
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Great topic Terry, and one thats overdue in discussion, yes we all do have to be a little more reasonable it seems to be a dirty word in this world, if you try to speak from the heart without all the bravado its almost looked upon as weak, your soft, I have never understood that.
There are some people here that you can almost see 'high fivin" it when they all gather to ridicule a poster, and yes everyone should show a little respect, calling a poster a nutjob, or mindrot, or woo filled and ready for the rubberoom is not respect, saying it over and over is not respect, in fact if you did it anywhere else in this world you may find yourself picking your teeth up off the floor, or have a harrasment case against you.
There are some very intelligent (in some ways) people here but that does not give anyone the monopoly on being an arsehole.
I think if this enviroment was a little less hostile, there would be alot more topics posted,not just believer/unbeliever rants. I agree with what others have posted here and on other threads about being hesitant to start a thread or post, it just seems as though if you are not ridiculed for your thoughts on said topic, you are put down by the way you have spelt something or phrased something, I got bagged for asking someone if they where angry at god,apparently its a stupid question to ask, the person replied in a manner thats enabled me to understand them more and where they are coming from,it also has made me a lot more open to what that poster has to say instead of just skipping over there post, or thinking here they go again. That poster who's views are nearly a 180* to me I thought well, I will now consider way more about what they have to say, ALL because they displayed a bit of courtesy. Annnd to my surprise alot of what they had to say I completely agreed with, I read what they had to say with opened eyes and heart, ready to take what they said on board instead of shutting down to that individual. I have alot of respect for that kind of attitude.
I find it amazing, those individuals that are so offended by such trivial things have no problem pointing the finger and jeering for the next 40 odd pages its unbelievable.
I no longer want to be apologetic about being 'thinskinned' if thats what some want to call it, to those I suggest this, try just TRY one day on one thread to be reasonable, not putting people down for the sake of it, but try and quit with the insults create an enviroment where people are wanting to communicate, all people not just ones with an aggresive/defensive intentions. You'll be amazed at the response, its ok to have your thinking challenged and be uncomfortable in that way, but I can only speak for me here, I KNOW for a fact that I can take alot more in on said subject and consider ALL sides more if people are reasonable, the message which can be very valid, even the truth in some cases is lost amidst the abuse.
I'm such a crap typer, this threads probably sorted and everyones kissed and made up,-which is a good thing, but I will post this as its very close to my heart.
No one person here or anywhere on this earth has all the answers,or even most, NO ONE can be 100% sure about anything regarding this life or what happens when we die, it would go along way to a less hostile enviroment if we all remembered it. Myself included.