do any of you know anything about bikers for christ ?
my husband was getting a part for his motercycle and was chatting with another customer.
this guy gave him this buisness card.
Hey, we had Bikers for Christ group
visit our area. I thought it was
kinda cool and was tempted to check
out the church service, but didn't.
I don't really know what kind of
group they are though, Pentecostal,
or what.
Maybe their website would tell you?
* http://www.bikersforchrist.org/
If you check them out. Please post
it and let us know what it was like.
I'd love to know.
Quester
a general text from my story.
i make some changes each time i give my testimony.
many of you unbelievers will think some of my statements are foolish.
Christian religions are not all the same.
Some are fundamentalist type, and can seem
similar to the jw religion.
There are dysfunctional unhealthy religious
environments. But not all of them are that
way.
That is only a small part of what's out there.
I think the jw religion is probably one of the
most toxic high control groups out there.
Not at all what I've experienced when visiting
some of the more liberal Christian religions.
I am not a member of any religion.
But I do visit various ones, just for the
spiritual association.
Quester
i would like to know why you still beleive in god and what, based upon the bible, leads you to believe in god.. i likethe scripture that states the earth was a circle and hung upon nothing.
i also find that there is evidence the flood existed.
anybody know the stats of the "supposed" ark on mr. ararat?.
What about the flood?
Alan F. has tons of stuff on that:
* http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm
What about "the circle of the earth"?
(Which happens to be Alan F. again.)
* http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/pub/soc.religion.christian/faq/earth-mythology
Still a believer but not for the above reasons.
I still believe in the Bible in that I take
it seriously. I just don't take it all literally.
To understand mythos in the Bible, I highly
recommend well-known Christian author, C. S. Lewis.
Quester
i'm just curious as to how many ex-witnesses here still believe in the god of the bible ?
and how many, due to the societies teachings have given up on god all together ?
MrMoe,
Your mom committed suicide when you were
5 yrs old and your brother died of AIDS.
Geez, sounds rough.
Things like that do cause people to reject God.
So I'd like to hear more about how you reconcile this.
Did you go thru an anger-at-God stage because he didn't
prevent these things from happening?
Genuinely curious and still a believer.
Quester
i was just wondering: never in my life have i owned (or even read) a bible other than the nwt.
i really wish to study the bible but really do not wish to use this version.
after seeing the plethora of bibles out there i was wondering if there is any person here who can give me an un-biased opinion on which bible to get.
About the New World Translation,
The main reason why I quit reading
it was to break out of the jw mindset.
Reading a different translation/version
Bible helped me to see and understand
the scriptures in a different way than
the jw's taught.
I also think it is beneficial to compare
different Bibles when studying.
Especially if you want to brainstorm on
different ways to understand a scripture.
For example, try reading the love chapter,
1 Cor 13 in different Bibles. Some of th
words used are much more meaningful to me.
Quester
dr albert ellis has identified 10 irrational beliefs that can influence us and contribute to over reacting in specific situations.. knowing them is the first step in taking back your personal power and not becoming a casuality of such irrational thought.these screwy beliefs tend to make us 'awfulize,think in terms of 'they should,i should' and dysfunctional rationalizations.. 1. worrying too much about what other people think of you.
excessive worrying creates a strong fear of rejection.. these folks will ignore the self to please others or will display this insecurity by attacking others in order to stay distant and detached.. 2. i must not fail at important tasks,and if i do it's terrible and i can't stand it.. 3.people and things should always turn out the way i want them to-and if they don't it's awful,terrible and horrible,and i can't stand it.. 4.if any of the first 3 bad events happens(if im not liked or respected,if i fail,or if things don't turn out as i'd like-then i'll always blame someone for it!
they acted wrongly,as they should not have done,and they are rotten people for acting in that terrible way!.
Thanks for the replies Larc and Tina.
Larc - About being imperfect, my positive
affirmation for that is:
I do the best I can with what I know
and when I know better, I do better.
I am a work in progress.
Tina - I agree, we can't just walk away from the
jw religion and think that's all there is to it.
I wanted to understand what happened to me, so
that it wouldn't happen to me again.
Thanks for this thread.
I wish there was more of this kind of stuff on
the board. Something more positive and
constructive to think about and to do.
But that's me.
I'm a positive person.
Quester
dr albert ellis has identified 10 irrational beliefs that can influence us and contribute to over reacting in specific situations.. knowing them is the first step in taking back your personal power and not becoming a casuality of such irrational thought.these screwy beliefs tend to make us 'awfulize,think in terms of 'they should,i should' and dysfunctional rationalizations.. 1. worrying too much about what other people think of you.
excessive worrying creates a strong fear of rejection.. these folks will ignore the self to please others or will display this insecurity by attacking others in order to stay distant and detached.. 2. i must not fail at important tasks,and if i do it's terrible and i can't stand it.. 3.people and things should always turn out the way i want them to-and if they don't it's awful,terrible and horrible,and i can't stand it.. 4.if any of the first 3 bad events happens(if im not liked or respected,if i fail,or if things don't turn out as i'd like-then i'll always blame someone for it!
they acted wrongly,as they should not have done,and they are rotten people for acting in that terrible way!.
Enjoyed reading this thread.
Larc, you are very good at being succinct.
I like that.
I just wanted to add that I have worked a
lot on changing negative beliefs and identifying
cognitive distortions.
1. It is difficult to identify the beliefs
causing the problem because they so engrained
and automatic, it's hard to catch them.
Journaling helped me with that.
2. I also work with affirmations a lot to
replace a faulty belief with a more positive
one. Affirmations need to be written and
stated in a positive form. Shad Helmstetter
wrote some good books on that topic. One
book I can name specifically is "What To say
When You Talk To Yourself."
Quester
i was just wondering: never in my life have i owned (or even read) a bible other than the nwt.
i really wish to study the bible but really do not wish to use this version.
after seeing the plethora of bibles out there i was wondering if there is any person here who can give me an un-biased opinion on which bible to get.
The Eight Translation New Testament
Tyndale (Publishers?)
Contains:
KJV
Phillips
RSV
JB
LB (Living Bible)
NIV
TEV
NEB
Also have:
The New Layman's Parallel Bible
4 translations, entire Bible, NT & OT
Zondervan (Publishers?)
Contains:
KJV
NIV
LB
RSV
A good reasonably priced online bookstore:
Christian Book Distributors
* http://www.christianbook.com
I like to go to the local Christian bookstore
or a large chain bookstore like Barnes & Nobles
and look at the different Bibles available and
see what appeals to me.
Check out the Life Application or Study Bibles.
These contain cross references, charts, maps,
introductions to each Bible book, and commentary
notes.
I have a Life Application Bible in the NIV version
and really like it.
Quester
i was just wondering: never in my life have i owned (or even read) a bible other than the nwt.
i really wish to study the bible but really do not wish to use this version.
after seeing the plethora of bibles out there i was wondering if there is any person here who can give me an un-biased opinion on which bible to get.
In "How to Read the Bible for all Its Worth",
By Gordon D. Fee & Douglas Stuart
A book I highly recommend.
It rates Bibles from literal to free.
KJV (King James Version)
NASB (New American Standard Bible)
RSV (Revised Standard Version)
NRSV (New Revised Standard Version)
NIV (New International Version)
NAB (New American Bible)
NEB (New English Bible)
GNB (Good News Bible)
JB (Jerusalem Bible)
The Message Bible (My addition)
Phillips
If you are fairly conservative, try the NRSV.
My personal favorites:
NIV (New International Verson)
The Message
The Fee and Stuart book discusses the
problems of translating and the pros and cons
of reading the different Bible translations/versions.
I love that book.
Quester
this is from seeker4, whom some of you may remember from h2o.
have been quiet for several months, and not even reading the boards.
too busy.
Seeker4, the writer.
I remember you.
We exchanged some emails back in the H2O days.
Good to read your update on what's been
happening in your life.
Quester
