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  White House, Capitol briefly evacuated today.

  by Special K in

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  inquiring minds want to know?.

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  BOO!
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  Flip flop flips?

  by Fatfreek in

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  "about the higher powers of romans 13, jehovah's witnesses taught until 1929 that the superior authorities (new world translation) were the earthly rulers to whom the christian paid taxes, etc.

  (c. t. russell, studies in the scriptures, i, p.

  ) then, from 1929 to 1962, the watchtower society explained the superior authorities as the most high god jehovah and his exalted son jesus christ (this means everlasting life, p.

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  That "boat tacking" excuse is so pathetic.
  
  (1) It is not biblical -- they don't have any scriptures that talk about sailboats
  (2) It implies that is some "forward motion" to go with the "adjustments. There is not forward motion. This is the logical fallacy called "false analogy".
  
  
  
  
  
  *** Reference Bible Ephesians 4:14 ***
  14 in order that we should no longer be babes, tossed about as by waves and carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error.
  
  
  *** The Living Bible Ephesians 4:14 ***
  ...forever changing our minds about what we believe because someone has told us something different, or has cleverly lied to us and made the lie sound like the truth.
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  6 Million JW's Can't Be Wrong

  by Honesty in

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  can they?

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  If anyone is retarded enough to use this logical fallacy, just use it back on them:
  
  
  "Can 1.3 Billion Muslims be wrong?"
  
  
  "Can 900 million Hindus be wrong?"
  
  
  "Can 500,000 Scientologists be wrong?"
  
  
  (Figures from http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
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  Is 2034 ''New Light''?

  by MidwichCuckoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  bear with me.

  over the years jw have always strived after/prophesied (even though they deny this) a carrot ''date''.

  as dates come and go, we hear about ''new light'', but according to the wt :-a new view of truth never can contradict a former truth.

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  LMAO at Nathan Natas!!!
  
  seeker4 asked:
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  What has been written about 2034? Where is it presented as a new idea?
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  integ's comment posted after yours indicates that the subtle math was not over the heads of the rank and file.
  
  You can read the key parts at my Quotes site: http://quotes.watchtower.ca/2034.htm.
  
  Basically, it goes like this:
  
  Noah had 120 years between start of his warning period and the flood (but as LittleToe noted above, it does not specifically say that -- you don't suppose WTS is stretching and interpreting scipture to fit their own needs, do you? Heaveans no!).
  
  We are living in a time just like Noah's. He was waiting for, and preparing for, the flood. JWs are waiting for and preparing for Armageddon. (I guess Jahoobee forgot his promise that he would never bring mass destruction to mankind ever again. Tsk tsk, these mass murderers are forgetful sometimes.)
  
  If Noah got 120 years, then we get 120 years. 1914 + 120 = 2034. Q.E.D.
  
  Take it with a grain of salt. The WTS also thinks that Noah was out knocking on doors on Saturday mornings to schlepp magazines with titles like "Rabbits that chew cud: The Hidden Dangers" and "Qualities to Look for in a Concubine" and "Hibernation: Its not just for winter anymore". He would then record those NotAtHome and report his time at the end of the month.
  
  ~Quotes, of the "Predict 2034 = End of Watchtower" class
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  'Every decision I make, I apply God's standards'

  by Quotes in

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  2. medical

  from canada's globe and mail, tuesday may 10. .

  'every decision i make, i apply god's standards' .

  cancer-stricken jehovah's witness teen explains her determination to refuse blood .

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  kwin said:
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  However, if you only are permitted to draw information from once source, your intelligence and maturity is limited to where your information is drawn from.
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  What an excellent, concise summary!
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  'Every decision I make, I apply God's standards'

  by Quotes in

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  from canada's globe and mail, tuesday may 10. .

  'every decision i make, i apply god's standards' .

  cancer-stricken jehovah's witness teen explains her determination to refuse blood .

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  "She loves swimming and wakeboarding in B.C.'s Interior lakes."
  
  Yes, I'm sure she does love that stuff. Unfortunately, she doesn't get to do it much becuase as soon as she is well enough, she'll be out door knocking.... I mean, Magazine selling... I mean... oh, never mind.
  
  Then, next summer, she'll be appearing at District Assemblies around North American, as part of the "let's be happy that she didn't die despite ignoring the advice of teams of doctors" tour.
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  'Every decision I make, I apply God's standards'

  by Quotes in

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  2. medical

  from canada's globe and mail, tuesday may 10. .

  'every decision i make, i apply god's standards' .

  cancer-stricken jehovah's witness teen explains her determination to refuse blood .

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  From Canada's Globe and Mail, Tuesday May 10.
  
  
  
  
  

  Cancer-stricken Jehovah's Witness teen explains her determination to refuse blood

  
  
  By JANE ARMSTRONG
  Tuesday, May 10, 2005 Updated at 4:14 AM EDT
  From Tuesday's Globe and Mail
  
  Vancouver ? Canada's high-profile child cancer patient is back in Vancouver's Children's Hospital, surrounded by tubes and drips and nurses who come in and out of her closet-sized room nearly every minute. Her parents are by her side, their cellphones ringing with calls from lawyers.
  
  At the centre of all this commotion is a 14-year-old girl with bone cancer. She is also a devout Jehovah's Witness whose desire to refuse a blood transfusion has landed her in the middle of an intense, high-stakes legal drama that has spanned two provinces.
  
  "I don't want it," she said, of the blood transfusion doctors will administer if they believe it's warranted. "It's based on God's word. He told us to abstain from blood and we need to obey his commandments."
  
  She said her faith informs every decision she makes. "It's part of my every day," she said, sitting cross-legged on her hospital bed. "I don't ever stop thinking about it. Every thing that I do, I apply God's standard to it. Every decision I make, I apply God's standards."
  
  Her voice, which is loud and booming, belies her frail appearance. Months of chemotherapy have turned her skin pale, and only a few wisps of blond hair cover her head. But she is articulate beyond her years, with a quick answer for every question.
  
  Twice she interrupted her father to gently remind him that she was right and he was wrong.
  
  But there is no dispute in this family about matters of faith. All three are devout Jehovah's Witnesses, a faith which interprets literally a passage from the scriptures that forbids the ingestion of blood.
  
  The girl can't be named because of publication bans in Ontario and British Columbia that protect her identity.
  
  But in an exclusive interview with The Globe and Mail, the girl talked about her determination to battle cancer in a manner that squares with her faith in God.
  
  "He created us and that's the least I can do for Him," she said of her desire to follow the biblical directive refusing blood.
  
  As adults, her parents have the right to refuse a blood transfusion. Her mother pulled out a card from her wallet that says, "No Blood," which is directed at medical professionals in the event of an accident.
  
  Under no circumstance would either parent ever have a transfusion, they said, even if their lives depended on it. However, their daughter can't make that decision until she is 18.
  
  That is how her case landed in court. When she was first diagnosed last December, the girl's oncologist warned the family he had never treated bone cancer without a transfusion. Chemotherapy affects the body's ability to replace blood cells and transfusions are often required.
  
  As a result, the hospital contacted the B.C. director of Child, Family and Community Service, which eventually obtained a court order allowing doctors to give the girl a transfusion if they believed it was warranted. The girl and her parents fought the order, but it was upheld by a B.C. Supreme Court.
  
  The decision angered the girl and her parents. They said they wanted a second opinion and the family flew to Toronto for an assessment at the Hospital for Sick Children. There they learned of a hospital in New York that has a so-called bloodless program, where the objective is to avoid transfusions.
  
  But an Ontario judge ordered her back to B.C. and refused to hear her request to get treatment in New York.
  
  In refusing the family's request, the Ontario judge said he considered the family a flight risk. The girl was flown from Toronto to Vancouver.
  
  The girl said she is aware that authorities don't believe 14 is old enough to make decisions about cancer treatment. She doesn't agree.
  
  At 14, she argued: "You can have an abortion and get birth-control pills and there's no law against that."
  
  She's also aware that some feel her parents have imposed their beliefs upon her. "Oh no. Far from it," she said. "It's totally my decision and they support me. My parents aren't telling me what to do. From the get-go, it's been my choice. It's me. It's my body."
  
  As for the B.C. Ministry of Child and Family Development, she adds: "They say they have my best interests at heart. Yet they won't listen to me."
  
  The girl's parents insisted they weren't fugitives when they flew their daughter to Ontario two weeks ago. The B.C. court order said nothing about jurisdiction, the girl's mother said. They were simply looking for more medical options.
  
  However, the B.C. ministry is not so convinced. Assistant deputy minister Jeremy Berland described the case as "enormously complicated" and remains concerned that the family could flee.
  
  However, Mr. Berland said the girl's doctors will do everything they can to avoid a blood transfusion.
  
  The girl said she won't back down from her desire to refuse blood. And she said she is angry that no judge or bureaucrat has ever asked her opinion.
  
  She said she broke down weeping in a Toronto courtroom last week because she was angry.
  
  "I was mad. No one was listening to what I had to say. That's stress enough. It was very difficult."
  
  Her treatment is scheduled to finish in July. After that, she's looking forward to going home to the Okanagan. She loves swimming and wakeboarding in B.C.'s Interior lakes.
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  City Confidential - Profiled Jehovahs Witness murdered in Boise, Idaho

  by pratt1 in

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  i was wondering if any one else saw the city confidential eposide on saturday may 7th, that profiled a dub from boise, idaho that was killed by a russian dancer - her husband.. i didn't see the show from the beginning, but apparently the russian dancer was convicted of murdering the dub, however he still claims his innocence - his theroy is that the jehovah witnesses killed his wife because she married him.

  a voilation of their laws.

  he appeared to have some supporters who also believed in his innocence.. .

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  Scully said:
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  Keith David replaces Paul Winfield, the original narrator who passed away in March 2004.
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  Thanks Scully!
  
  ~Quotes, of the "I keep cursing the darkness, and Scully keeps lighting candles" class
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  Either Jehovah made a mistake....or Moses did.

  by gumby in

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  2. bible

  in leviticus 11:6, it tells us that the rabbit chews the cud.

  they don't chew the cud.. in leviticus 11:20 it tells us that insect walk on four leggs.

  they don't......they have 6 leggs.. why the problem?.

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  Hey, glad you are cutting Moses some slack here.
  
  After all, it is not everyday you have to write about your own funeral:
  
  Deuteronomy 34:5 (according to WTS, Deutornomy was written by Moses).
  
  5 And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said. 6 He buried him [b] in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. 7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone. 8 The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over.
  
  ~Quotes, of the "Obit" class
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  Reformation Movement

  by SWALKER in

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  2. scandals

  has anyone received this e-mail and what do you think about it?.

  http://www.jwreform.org/index.html.

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  I agree that it is amzing this site exists.
  
  I suppose these people are using the "don't throw out the baby with the bathwater" principle. IMO, having drained the bathwater, I've found there is no baby. Just a big baby-poopie.
  
  If these people want to call a turd a baby, well, I guess it takes all types.
  
  Oh, 5 secons of WHOIS searching leads to the conclusion that David M. of La Jolla, California is going to be getting a visit from the elder's real soon (assuming he hasn't been DF'd already).
  
  ~Quotes, of the "throw it into the fire like the good book says" class