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  Blood, The Watchtower and Deceit

  by Maximus in

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  while much attention is given to doctrine in sites such as this, very little is noted about the watchtower societys intellectual dishonesty in its publications, especially when it comes to quotations.. oftentimes the societys writers will cite a scholar or author of some repute: "professor blank observes that blah, blah, blah.

  " the reader assumes from the quotation that professor blank is in agreement with the organizations position, of course, and that the quotation chosen accurately depicts the authors thoughts.. heres the catch: the words between the quotation marks may be accurate, but the snippet may not at all faithfully represent someones actual thesis or position.

  much like a newspaper ad for a movie that quotes a reviewer as saying "monumental!

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  Nice to have you on here Marvin.

  qwerty.
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  Blood, The Watchtower and Deceit

  by Maximus in

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  while much attention is given to doctrine in sites such as this, very little is noted about the watchtower societys intellectual dishonesty in its publications, especially when it comes to quotations.. oftentimes the societys writers will cite a scholar or author of some repute: "professor blank observes that blah, blah, blah.

  " the reader assumes from the quotation that professor blank is in agreement with the organizations position, of course, and that the quotation chosen accurately depicts the authors thoughts.. heres the catch: the words between the quotation marks may be accurate, but the snippet may not at all faithfully represent someones actual thesis or position.

  much like a newspaper ad for a movie that quotes a reviewer as saying "monumental!

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  Maximus thanks,

  Did you see my post at......
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=6293&site=3

  Are you the same fella who said.....

  "If I live or die. In this world or the next, I will have my revenge!"

  qwerty
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  1961 WT on Blood and today's "light"

  by qwerty in

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  we've all been given the new advanced health "care" directive at our book groups.

  talk about feeling pressured into a situation.

  we have to take forms home, read them, tick what medical care info our consciense will allow if we are in a life or death situation.

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  Thanks for you contributions to this post all.

  MacHislopp thank you for this reference.

  *** w58 8/1 478 Questions from Readers ***
  Questions from Readers

  ó One of Jehovah’s witnesses who claims to be of the anointed remnant recently went to the hospital and took a blood transfusion, voluntarily. Should she be allowed to partake of the emblems of bread and wine at Memorial time?—R. J., United States.

  We, of course, regret with you that this sister who professes to be one of the anointed remnant took a blood transfusion voluntarily during her stay in the hospital. We believe that she did the wrong thing contrary to the will of God.

  However, congregations have never been instructed to disfellowship those who voluntarily take blood transfusions or approve them.

  We let the judgment of such violators of God’s law concerning the sacredness of blood remain with Jehovah, the Supreme Judge. The only thing that can be done in the cases of individuals like this is to view them as immature and therefore not capable of taking on certain responsibilities, hence refusing to make certain assignments of service to such ones.

  Since an individual is not disfellowshiped because of having voluntarily taken a blood transfusion or having approved of a dear one’s accepting a blood transfusion, you have no right to bar this sister from the celebration of the Lord’s Evening Meal. As an anointed member of Christ’s body she is under orders and command by Christ Jesus to partake. Whether she is unfaithful as to what she professes to be by virtue of taking the emblems of the Lord’s Evening Meal is something for Jehovah God to determine himself. His judgment begins at the house of God. It is not for you or anyone serving the Memorial emblems to act as the judge, but to allow the emblems to go to anyone in the audience as these are passed along in the normal manner of letting each one have the opportunity to partake.
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  Ask any JW if you they have been disfellowshipped and they would say yes,(the get out clause would be that they would not be if they were repentant!)
  Today they would probably be looked on as verging on as one of the evil slave class.

  qwerty.

  "He would make a lovely corpse."
  - Charles Dickens (1812-1870)
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  1961 WT on Blood and today's "light"

  by qwerty in

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  we've all been given the new advanced health "care" directive at our book groups.

  talk about feeling pressured into a situation.

  we have to take forms home, read them, tick what medical care info our consciense will allow if we are in a life or death situation.

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  We've all been given the new advanced health "care" Directive at our book groups. Talk about feeling pressured into a situation. We have to take forms home, read them, tick what medical care info our consciense will allow if we are in a life or death situation. Then take the form back and have our signiture witnessed by two others.

  On the meeting part about the A.M.C.D, we was advised to make multipul copies of the completed form. The instruction was to keep the original in a safe place where it could be found easily. One copy should be given to the doctor for your file, the others to the ones who witnessed your signiture, even give one to the Cong secetary and keep one in the glove compartment in your car.

  Take a look at the older light on Blood in this WT of 1961.
  

  *** w61 9/15 558-9 Respect for the Sanctity of Blood ***
  BLOOD TRANSFUSION
  15 Over the centuries man’s misuses of blood have taken on many forms. Ancient Egyptian princes used human blood for rejuvenation; others drank the blood of their enemies. But not until after William Harvey’s research into the circulation of the blood, in the seventeenth century, was there any extensive effort made to transfuse blood into the circulatory system of another creature. After having suffered severe setbacks due to fatalities, blood transfusion finally came to be viewed with more favor at the beginning of this twentieth century, when research made it possible to identify certain blood types. The two world wars and the Korean war gave doctors ample opportunity to experiment with the therapeutic use of blood, and now the process has been developed to the point that doctors use not only whole blood and blood plasma, which is the nearly colorless liquid in which the blood cells are carried, but also red cells apart from the plasma, and the various plasma proteins as they feel the need.

  16 Is God’s law violated by such medical use of blood? Is it wrong to sustain life by infusions of blood or plasma or red cells or the various blood fractions? Yes! The law that God gave to Noah and which applies to all his descendants makes it wrong for anyone to eat blood, that is, to use the blood of another creature to nourish or sustain one’s life. Even as Tertullian in his Apology showed how the early Christians reasoned on the matter, so today it is recognized that if this prohibition applies to animal blood, it applies with even more force to human blood. It includes “any blood at all.”—Lev. 3:17.

  17 Arguments to the effect that the prohibition on the use of blood issued by the early Christian governing body did not deal with human blood, but only with animal blood, show ignorance of the facts of history. In ancient Rome, which dominated the Mediterranean world in the first century, spectators at the gladiatorial contests would rush into the arena after the fight and suck the blood streaming from the neck of the vanquished gladiator. Some from among the Scythians reportedly ate their dead relatives. Treaties were made among some peoples by mutually drinking a portion of each other’s blood; and human blood caught in the hand and eaten was used to seal initiation into the rites of the pagan goddess Bellona. So when the apostles, under direction of the holy spirit, said that Christians were to keep themselves from blood, they did have in mind human blood too.

  18 It is of no consequence that the blood is taken into the body through the veins instead of the mouth. Nor does the claim by some that it is not the same as intravenous feeding carry weight. The fact is that it nourishes or sustains the life of the body. In harmony with this is a statement in the book Hemorrhage and Transfusion, by George W. Crile, A.M., M.D., who quotes a letter from Denys, French physician and early researcher in the field of transfusions. It says: “In performing transfusion it is nothing else than nourishing by a shorter road than ordinary—that is to say, placing in the veins blood all made in place of taking food which only turns to blood after several changes.”

  19 In view of the emphasis put on the use of blood in the medical world, new treatments involving its use are constantly being recommended.But regardless of whether it is whole blood or a blood fraction, whether it is blood taken from one’s own body or that taken from someone else, whether it is administered as a transfusion or as an injection, the divine law applies. God has not given man blood to use as he might use other substances; he requires respect for the sanctity of blood.

  (be interesting in the light of WT habit of miss quoting, to find out exactly what George W. Crile, A.M., M.D., who quotes a letter from Denys, French physician actually wrote!)
  Did you read Maximus's post on Blood and WT quoting, thanks Maximus.
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=6288&site=3

  The Wt of Sept 1961 goes on in para 20,
  

  20 What a fine example in respect for this law was set by God-fearing King David! Before the enemies of God’s people had been driven from the land, the Philistines had a garrison in Bethlehem near Jerusalem, and on one occasion “David showed his craving and said: ‘O that I might have a drink of the water from the cistern of Bethlehem, which is at the gate!’” Yes, he wished that the Philistines were gone and that he could be free to go to that cistern and be refreshed by its water. But on hearing his expression, “three [valiant men] forced their way into the camp of the Philistines and drew water from the cistern of Bethlehem, which is at the gate, and came carrying and bringing it to David.” What they brought was nothing more than water, but they did it at the risk of their lives, and David knew it. “And David did not consent to drink it, but poured it out to Jehovah. And he went on to say: ‘It is unthinkable on my part, as regards my God, to do this! Is it the blood of these men that I should drink at the risk of their souls? For it was at the risk of their souls that they brought it.’ And he did not consent to drink it.” (1 Chron. 11:16-19; 2 Sam. 23:15-17) David respected the law of God. Not only did he abstain from animal blood; he avoided the far more gross wrong of consuming human blood. Yes, he avoided doing anything that even resembled violation of that law. He was a man after God’s own heart. It is a like course of obedience from the heart that moves mature Christians today to abstain from any practice at all that involves misuse of blood. Out of love for God they show respect for the sanctity of blood.

  WHAT!

  During a wartime crisis, some Israelite soldiers killed animals and fell to eating along with the blood. (1 Samuel 14:31-35) Did they have to die for their error?.....you would thinks so, No they were just told off!

  I wonder if the Elders are keeping tabs on anybody who does not complete or even ask for a form!?

  http://www.ajwrb.org/basics/crumbles.shtml

  qwerty

  "Facts are the enemy of truth."
  - Don Quixote - "Man of La Mancha"

  P.S I have scanned the copies of the Medical directive into my comp, just got to get the file size down, so I can put them on the web. I might try zipping each page, unless anyone as got a tip?
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  Canada's Numbers Declining-Worries Bethel

  by Had Enough in

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  man it's good to be home, relaxed and de-stressing right now!

  how many times today, i just wanted to say aaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhh!!!!

  at my circuit's one-day assembly.

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  Hello Enlighted UK

  Welcome to another UK Bro.

  Do you live far from me in Yorkshire?

  qwerty
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  CO's giving new instructions?

  by Yerusalyim in

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  my step-son, a jw (18 years old) is here to visit for the summer.

  in a conversation yesterday he informed me that his co is now instructing congregations to "use the bible more" in their presentations when they're out on service.

  sean said, "he said this is because we don't want to be known as just selling, i mean placing, magazines.

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  Over here in the UK it's the same.
  On our recent CO's visit we were all encouraged to use our Bible. Infact going out with only the Bible in hand, if interest is shown then asking if we can call back soon with a piece of literature.

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  Picture of Mulan, AlanF, and Venice

  by Mulan in

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  here is a photo of 3 of your "favorite" posters.. mulan, alanf and veniceit.

  it was taken may 19 in eastern washington, at a conference we all attended.

  if you scroll down, you will see the photo here.

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  Slip ?
  I am confused is this you?
  
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  human rights and blood.

  by uncle_onion in

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  anyone know the website address for the blood decision for the european court of human rights and bulgaria?.

  uo

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  Hello UO

  You prob have this address anyway, but just in case......

  http://www.echr.coe.int/Eng/PressReleases.htm

  It might take you all week to find it!

  qwerty
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  Helpful Techniques for Getting in your Time

  by Jang in

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  i found this a few years back on one of the sites which has since closed down ..... .

  remember: there is a time for everything under the sun.

  helpful techniques for getting in your pioneer time .

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  Heff

  Welcome to the board,

  I like your quote and so true.

  qwerty

  "If you are going through hell, keep going."
  - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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  Helpful Techniques for Getting in your Time

  by Jang in

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  i found this a few years back on one of the sites which has since closed down ..... .

  remember: there is a time for everything under the sun.

  helpful techniques for getting in your pioneer time .

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  Go Hi-Tech
  Witnessing "on-line" is another way to spread the good news. There are newsgroups, chat lines, private email, etc. Observe/read/follow a "thread" (a conversation about a particular topic), and interject a kingdom thought and try engaging people in conversations about the kingdom. All time, including reading and writing, and research can be counted as time. Worldly people spend hours and hours each day. We can too, only for a better cause. Techniques listed above can be adapted to being "hi-tech." For instance, writing letters at the end of the day to continue your time, can be email letters, instead of paper and ink letters. All people you carry conversations with are return visits, and Bible study may even be started on-line.

  Did this myself,

  Now look where I am!