Posts by r51785

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Quotable Quotes; Please Add Yours ...

by compound complex in

the endeavor to compel all men to think alike on all subjects,.

culminated in the great apostasy and the development of the .

great papal system; and thereby the 'gospel,' the 'one faith,'.

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The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. -- H. L. Mencken

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How Did Being Referred To As A Brother Or Sister Make You Feel?

by The wanderer in

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how did being referred to as a brother or sister make you feel?the term brother always reminded me of being in some militant or holy roller religion.

during my tenure as a jehovahs witness, i brought it to the elders attention to refer to .

me by using my first or last name when addressing me.

r51785

If I ever went back, I would insist that everyone call me "Comrade r51785" instead of "Brother r51785."

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Does anyone have dates for convention in San Diego, CA?

by r51785 in

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thanks!!

!

r51785

Thanks!!!

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The world IS getting worse!!

by themonster123 in

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i'm telling you- i honestly think people are getting more immoral!!

i saw something on the news last night where some bicycler got hit in the middle of the road in the middle of a huge intersection and people were slowing down to go around him.

that was at some urban centre in tel aviv, israel.

r51785

You are correct, nothing like this has ever happened before in the history of the world. Therefore the time for Jehovah to slaughter six billion must be close at hand! Jesus replied and said, "A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho; and he fell among robbers, and they stripped him and beat him, and went off leaving him half dead. And by chance a certain priest was going down on that road, and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side. And likewise a Levite also, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.

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The Last Great Baseball Commisioner Dead at 80

by XJW4EVR in

bowie kuhn, the last great basebll commsion died yesterday at 80. he has the last commisioner of baseball that took the term "best interests of baseball" to heart, and the game flourished under his guidance.

baseball certainly needs a man liike kuhn back in the commisioners seat.. .

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r51785

Aren't you forgetting Faye Vincent?

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Did the heavenly calling cease in 1935? Not anymore!

by AnnOMaly in

watch out for the questions from readers in the may 1st 2007 watchtower.

"when does the calling of christians to a heavenly hope cease?

" it's a good'un.. included are the statements:.

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As a result of this article, I see the following taking place: The Governing Body will be identified as the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class. There will be no further confusion about how the FDS is all the annointed ones. Any others outside of headquarters who partake can then be subject to question since they are not members of the faithful slave. When a new Governing Body member is needed, the Watchtower leadership can approach some longtime Bethelite and suggest that maybe he reevaluate his standing vis a vis annointing. Then, voila, Brother Long-Time-Bethelite suddenly receives the annointing and can now take Brother Drools-All-Over-Himself's position on the Governing Body. With this move they can explain away the fact that all the Governing Body members were born after 1935 and dismiss what they regard as any crack pot annointed ones. They also ensure themselves a ready supply of company men to fill their Governing Body/Faithful and Discreet Slave Class. The R&F cult members will never even notice the change!

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Why must observers attend the Kingdom Halls for the Memorial?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

jesus had only 12 members attend and partake the last meal and memorial.there were no observers in the room.each disciple was given bread to eat and wine to drink.there is no mention of other people in the room who couldn't eat or drink the last meal.this was only for those who would partake of this meal.. why does the wts feel that observers need to be at this yearly event?

why can't the elders who(supposedly) have any 144,000 in their congregations,have a memorial with only these members?

if jesus wanted observers he would of had some at his last meal and requested that they be present from then on..

r51785

I'm sure that any normal person would imagine that it was "Temptation Night" at the Watchtower Church. All the members pass around an alcoholic drink and refuse to imbibe, thus showing their moral strength and determination not to succumb to alcohol.

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Disfellowshipping - How long to return?

by CaptK in

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does anybody know how long it takes for one to get re-instated if you are not that well liked by the body of elders?

i was disfellowshiped for immorality almost 2 years ago.

with my job and attending college to keep in step with my field of work, i have only been attending the sunday talk & wt meeting every week.

r51785

Captain K, Wish you all the best, but I think if I was you I would go back to Thailand and not the Kingdom Hall.

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My Bethel Experience final chapter

by new boy in

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there were other people who either killed themselfs or tried to kill themselfs while they were at "the house of god.

one person who did kill himself was richard wheelock, press room overseer ......he jumped out of a window at the watchtower farm one day.......it seemed, he was never quite the same after his wife "willy" died..she seemed to be the only one that he could relate to.......which would make sence.....because he sure couldn't relate to any of us in the press room..........he would come over to our press and say "here is the work... get in out".......then just walk away.......he was not the type of person you would really want to talk to anyway......but wouldn't it be nice if just now and then, like every year or two, they might ask you how you were doing?.........you laugh.......but its true......i asked a friend of mind who was the press operator of press # 6 which at the time was one of the three biggest presses at bethel.

he had been in the press room for 4 full years.

r51785

Metatron has really hit the nail on the head. The military draft was a godsend for the Society. Draft boards only granted a 4-D deferrment (minister of religion) for those who were pioneers, members of the bethel family or congregation servants (the precursor of elder). Now how many 18 year old boys were congregation servants? That meant to get the coveted deferrment you needed to either pioneer or be a member of the bethel family. If you couldn't earn a 4-D deferrment, you had to settle for a 1-0 (conscientious objector). However your draft board would require a conscientious objector to perform non-combatant service, such as working in a VA hospital emptying bed pans. Interestingly at the time the Watchtower forbade its members from non-combatant service on pain of disfellowshipping. So the bottom line was this for a young American male dub: either pioneer or bethel or jail. No wonder bethelites didn't want to leave. If the society wouldn't "let them pioneer for six months," than the draft board could grab them. The first step toward dismantling the policy of Watchtower slavery came in the late 60's when the American government instituted a draft lottery. If you had a high lottery number than you couldn't get called up so then you didn't need a deferrment and the Watchtower couldn't count on your slave labor to earn that deferrment. The draft finally ended in 1973 and as you might have noticed this marked the end of the 4 year rule at Bethel. The fact of the matter is that the Watchtower Printing Company skillfully played American military draft laws to enslave generations of young males as unpaid factory workers or book salesmen. r51785 -- holder of a 4-D draft card, and former pioneer

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new watchtower mag arrangement

by shadowofbathory in

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the latest from brooklyn ( my mate in upper management ) i thought id share.. .

the watchtower is remaining bi monthly.

instead of both monthly offerings sharing same formats there is a change coming into action soon.

r51785

Since the "Watchtower" is the flagship brand of the Watchtower Printing and Real Estate Development Corp, I would expect that they will keep the Watchtower to distribute to the general public. The Awake will be phased out and the new Watchtower will become a magazine designed to hook converts. I would expect that the issue of the Watchtower which is designed for cult members will eventually be distributed electronically. Each Kingdom Hall will need a laser printer and PC or they can just send an elder to Kinko's. This will enable elders to control distribution locally. It will also reduce printing and distribution costs for Watchtower corporate by imposing these costs on the local congregation. While I do not think this new arrangement is designed to keep the "Cult Member Edition" of the Watchtower out of apostate hands, the reduction of availability will be a happy side benefit of what is basically just a cost cutting program for Watchtowre corporate. Also we might see the "Cult Member Edition" of the Watchtower merge with the other internal bulletin, The Kingdom Ministry.