last night's survivor shows how ridiculous these abuse allegations are.
and how they are handled.. ghandia accuses ted of getting touchy feelly with her when they are.
sleeping.
Bomatt66
For somebody who belongs to a faith based on LOVE you seem to bear the heavy burden of hate in your heart. What drives you to despise these so-called apostates so much? Did somebody in your family leave the faith and hurt your family? What's the deal dude?
Peace, Rad
the apostates here have so many wrong assumptions.
anyone that posts against them they assume is defending the society.. i'm neutral towards the society.
i don't defend it nor do i attack it.
Bomatt6,
These people are here to share their experiences within the religious organization that is headed up by the WTS. If you don't like their views then go to another site that is more JW positive. However, if you have something constructive to say then do so. I can tell you that your lack of logic and eloquence will do nothing to convince anybody on this board to change their views.
Peace, Rad
Edited by - radtrinidad on 2 October 2002 9:17:42
i see a number of board members alluding to the elders as antagonists.
this is amoral.
there is an inference that these ones ( elders ) can think for themselves, they cannot.
I posted this quote on an earlier thread but I think that it clearly applies to the elder's thinking. If they truly believe the WTS teachings then they have no choice but to follow the rules that have been set up by the society. To do otherwise would threaten their whole belief system. Others may have had their blinders removed but the cost for some was dear... so who are we to judge those who aren't ready to tread down that road yet? ...to judge those who aren't willing to give up their family and their way of life? We are all at different levels in our journey through life. Some get to the point where they can break free, others, sadly, will never get there. To attack the brainwashed will not accomplish anything and only reinforces the message that they are special because they are being singled out for "persecution" as the WT litererature teaches. However,chiseling away at the base of the organization, the Governing Body and it's special interests will get the best results. Making changes from the top down is the most effective way of dealing with a mind-controlling cult. Hit them in the pocket book so they have to make changes or die as a organization.
How are the elders different by nature from the Nazi SS troops? Were the SS troops simply pawns, not to be blamed? If so, why? If not, why?
"...the truth is dangerous not only because it can threaten their power but because it shakes their whole conscious system of orientation, deprives them of their rationalizations, and might even force them to act differently. Only those who have experienced the process of becoming aware of important impulses that were repressed know the earthquakelike sense of bewilderment and confusion that occurs as a result. Not all people are willing to risk this adventure, lest of all those people who profit, at least for the moment, from being blind." Erich Fromm
I used to sit at the meetings and think, "How can they swallow this horse manure? Spiritual Israel? Get real." The elder who gave most of these talks was a heart surgeon at a local hospital! He was well-spoken and clearly well educated. I dreaded when another elder had to give a stuttering talk that would bore me to tears. This elder passionately believed in what he was speaking about and his belief came across quite sincerely to the entire congregation. Even his true belief was not enough to put the blinders on my eyes though. I wanted to debate with him but I knew it would be futile because of the message of the WT. Wait, have patience, the truth will be revealed in time... in the meantime trust Jehovah's word made manifest through his earthly organization.
Peace, Rad of the i hate judging class
historically...those who told the truth about a particular regime have been exiled, jailed, or killed by those in power whose fury has been aroused.
to be sure, the obvious explanation is that they were dangerous to their respective establishments, and that killing them seemed the best way to protect the status quo.
this is true enough, but it does not explain the fact that the truth-sayers are so deeply hated even when they do not constitute a real threat to the established order.
Historically...those who told the truth about a particular regime have been exiled, jailed, or killed by those in power whose fury has been aroused. To be sure, the obvious explanation is that they were dangerous to their respective establishments, and that killing them seemed the best way to protect the status quo. This is true enough, but it does not explain the fact that the truth-sayers are so deeply hated even when they do not constitute a real threat to the established order. The reason lies, I believe, in that by speaking the truth they mobilize the [psychological] resistance of those who repress it. To the latter, the truth is dangerous not only because it can threaten their power but because it shakes their whole conscious system of orientation, deprives them of their rationalizations, and might even force them to act differently. Only those who have experienced the process of becoming aware of important impulses that were repressed know the earthquakelike sense of bewilderment and confusion that occurs as a result. Not all people are willing to risk this adventure, lest of all those people who profit, at least for the moment, from being blind. Erich Fromm
I've been lurking for sometime reading about the struggles and brave battles that the individuals on this board experience. And in reading about your experiences I have come to a measure of peace within myself in dealing with my family who are legalistic in their religious beliefs. I myself have been denied access to my nieces and have never seen my nephew for reasons that are still too painful to write about.
When I read this quote by Erich Fromm it seemed to apply so much to the people on this board and their families both in the "troof" and out that I had to share it with you. Now I shall return to lurker mode .
Peace to All Rad
i ruined a real relationship with a real man that i had been with for 11 years for a jw who used me, got his rocks off, then told me to hang in there.
i have lost everything for this person, and does this person care????
i doubt it.
Saint Theresa,
I so know how you feel. I fell in completely, hopelessly, head over heels in love with a young disfellowshiped JW. He was so sweet and wonderful. He would e-mail 3 or 4 times a day and message me while I was at work. We would talk on the phone for hours on end and talked about all the wonderful things in life. He was open and honest, I thought. We had great wild sex and I had never been happier in my life. Then he decided to go back to the borg because the "world" had only caused him hurt. Seeing as I was a worldly girl and we were "fornicating" that means that I was now out of the equation. I have tried to maintain at least a friendship but that is becoming intolerable. All he wants to talk about is JW theology, most of which I don't agree with from my own independent studies. Before we broke up and for a time after I was studying with the local congregation but I didn't fall for their mind controlling tricks. He is urging me to go back and hints that if I became a JW we may be able to get back together and does he have to die to prove his beliefs to me. Well I'm not falling for that line and I don't think I want this new controlling religious obsessed in my life any longer. It feels like somebody dies though and it still hurts so badly. The sweet understanding guy I met has become a Watchtower quoting fanatic.
Here's a big hug for you Saint Theresa and both you and I are better off without those Watchtower drones in our lives.
Peace, Rad
for 'lookin' who stated in another thread that he was asked to leave bethel after 8 years because he was injured.. is there any form of worker's comp if you are injured at bethel?
is there any disability insurance if you are disabled?.
how does this whole thing work?.
In most religious orders there are retirement commuitites for it's members. If one takes a "vow of poverty" then it is the the responsibility of the religious order to take care of it's members. To do any less is not only negligent but non-Christian.
Peace, Rad
