Posts by truthlover123

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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.

truthlover123

No doubt about it! If Jesus was to appear and look at the then and now, there would not no more "truth". (presupposing He even approved it back then).

The org I was baptized into used the complete scripture in Matthew including the Holy Spirit, not the one today baptizing you into a "spiritually approved version of the Jehovahs Witnesses- who approved them to be the one true religion since Geoffrey Jackson said they org was presumptuous if they thought they were the only true religion in the ARC deposition?

Who said it was ok to sell off all the halls that were dedicated to Jehovah? Did He tell them to do that? I don't think so. Now our hall is going at $500K, many others over 1 - 5 Million.. who says there isn't money in volunteer built halls. Jesus hardly slept, had little clothing, little food. no mod of travel save a donkey and feet yet these 8 human males believe only they have holy spirit- being pampered like kings, controlling every part of everyones existence and allowed to do so because governments and religion are in the same bed, therefore protection, in some states and regions will not touch them with a ten foot pole. Money talks, conscience walks

SO this is not the one I choose back then this is not the one I know now-- I want a divorce, lied to and scammed for my volunteerism, my money, my life.

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First post here. Inactive since January, making it permanent. Here is my intro

by madisoncembre in

new poster to this site.

i've started blogging and would like to share my experiences with you.

bear with me as i am completely new to this.

truthlover123

madisoncembre

Welcome and I hope not intrusive with my answer, as I see it-

You sound very strong and capable for standing up for yourself. It's always a denial to think that when the abuse starts, things can be your fault and "if I try harder, it will get better." To go to the elders? No, they will tell you to stay with him and he will concoct a good story, but leaving out the mistress part, saying you are at fault and need to study and pray more

It sounds like he continued seeing his mistress and abusing you to try and get you to leave, of course, citing that you left him and the elders would see you as "Spiritually sick" and poor him! If you did that, you would have abandoned your home and would be at fault.

Did you keep pictures? Have you contacted government services to report these issues? You need to get someone on your side as apparently, his daddy has money and lord knows who he knows...

How can they cut your off a joint account? Did you speak with bank manager?

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WEASEL WORDS--WHAT ARE THEY--HOW THE WTS USES

by blondie in

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"a number of techniques employed to mislead others fall under the category of weasel words, and this article quotes examples that are regularly found in watchtower publications.. weasel words are defined as:.

“words or statements that are intentionally ambiguous or misleading,”[1].

intended “to avoid answering a question clearly or to make someone believe something that is not true."[2].

truthlover123

Blondie- so nice your back! WT reviews comments missed so much and the weasel words- yes, I have always said that to anyone who would listen-

The unfortunate thing is that pubs giving parroted answers from a paragraph indicate that the weasel words are fact, not that there is a "we understand", " possibly", "indicates", 'logically" and on and on....

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What about the Transfiguration?

by lovelylil in

many people wonder about this vision and why the disciples witnessed it and what does the appearance of moses & elijah mean?

i have my own opinion which i will post later but i was wondering what others thought about it?

lilly

truthlover123

Interesting older topic, one that many current JW's would not think of but it is a deep subject. Life after death, being able to "bring" up two faithful men who died thousands of years previously, to be and speak with Jesus!

Third heaven? Nothing like that is mentioned in WT studies today, no questions allowed to be asked anymore, just answer the question as noted in a paragraph- where is thinking going on?

1) three men speaking of things either going to happen to Jesus, as Leolai said so eloquently -- his death.

2) Why bring them "back" to discuss what was already prophesied in scripture?

3) Three men witnessed the "vision" as it was called- you only need two witnesses for anything in bible

4) Did this have anything to do with the law and the prophets- which changed with Jesus? Why would that be an issue that would have to be "seen" by the three watching from a distance- since they asked Jesus to build three tents?

5) And if, as the last comment says- Life after death

Side note- where are you Leolai? Always loved your insights and comments.

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The time my Jehovah's Witness mom ripped my rock band photos and poster

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

in 1977 ( i was 18 years old), i attended a led zeppelin concert at the chicago stadium.

sat in the 10th.

row.

truthlover123

I remember buying aa book for my child and ripping out the pages dealing with dinosaurs and later not allowing him certain music, which of course, was not a problem for the adults, CCR, EAGLES, MJ, hippie drug era and of course disco.... Donna Summer, Bee Gees Ohh the good times!!

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" Millions Now Living Will Never Die" Ray Franz Thoughts from " Crisis of C "

by flipper in

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friends

of course this has been hashed and re-hashed as all of you know the feb. 15th wt is re-directing jw's to read the title of rutherford's talk as " millions now living may never die.

" however in reading crisis of conscience a second time - i found it interesting to see what ray franz said about this quote.. remember he wrote this book in 1983 , so keep it in mind when reading his quotes about this " millions " quote.

on pg.

truthlover123

I do IT was a shock to some in the hall, today's living who knew and studied that article must think they were brainwashed

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Young "Elders"

by XBEHERE in

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ever since the annual meeting last october and the letter to bodies of elders stating that "exceptional young men perhaps in their early 20's could qualify for appointment as elders.." it even states this in the updated elders manual!

have any of you pimo's, pimq's, or those on here with family/friends still in hear of any young men being appointed as elders yet?

i am talking 21, 22, 23, 24 etc.

truthlover123

So let's go a little easy on the 10 year old newly baptized male in the car group of mom and three other sisters.

Now, according to all thats holy- according to WT, this kid is no longer mom's boy, he is now a male in charge of the car group and now has the say in what territory they can work ? and mom has to wear something on her head to have a study with him?

What a way to get the male youth, giving them that power and understanding at an early age- not knowing that is placing women in low esteem and needing a male lead!

Second class stepford wives

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Joined an online meeting incognito

by joey jojo in

got a link for a zoom meeting and thought id share my experience about the mid-week meeting.. guessing about 100 - 120 in cong.. 50 on zoom, only 8 with cameras on - all elderly.

watching from a detached point of view it's so obvious at how it is nothing but a glorified sales meeting, all designed to promote the org.

inspirational videos about how everyone can/ should do more to help with projects, in particular how to look after the kingdom hall, complete with bar charts showing levels of achievement to aspire to.. interestingly, tonights book study is about alcohol..

truthlover123

With all the push for more brothers to step up, it is almost a joke in that the meetings are now mostly video. Human participation is much less then ever and yes, people are still on zoom or phone due to age, illness or no masking policy, that the society pushed along with vaccinations so early on. D to D starts next monday in earnest - the recent assemblies show many seniors gone but baptisms still going on.

I do not hear such words as research, family study anymore- it seems to be a grade 3 level of study, nothing in depth, no real "meat"- parroting a sentence or two of what was just read. Most women give something that is a touch emotional, but anything of context is now lost, never to return. Research is a WT produced piece, something coloured by their own thinking processes out of the HIGH COURT of men backed by legalese.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses view faithfulness to Jehovah as being equivalent to faithfulness to the Governing Body?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i thought this was an interesting response to the question.

"being faithful and loyal to god implies or includes.

being faithful to your spouse (hebrews 13:4),.

truthlover123

yes - very strong with single women unfortunately,

seems to be a need there for support- that they do not really receive from a human touch, so go strong for spiritual , emotional comfort

PEW research says that 65% of pubs are the women,, yet still second class citizens

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Predict JW life in future

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

a sister said the other day at the ministry group “”what is all this talk that the end is still some way off” she said she has been waiting for decades and she was told there is no way it would take this long.

some others said in an annoyed kind of way yes they would have made different decisions decades ago if they knew the end still would not have come by 2023.. how will the majority react in a few more decades time when the end still hasn’t come?.

why all that talk of sense of urgency decades ago?.

truthlover123

Came the day AFTER Oct 1975 that I decided we were going to get jobs that would pay pensions- so after securing a few jobs to cover us off, my mate decided to go for a job at a large corporate and I decided to go to an international company.... to say the least, it was the best choice we made. From the time the articles were written regarding the end of the 6000 year reign was coming to a close in 75, and those who truly believed, sold homes, furniture, left jobs to pioneer - my mate being one who left a government full time position to do so, we answered the call and did prepare. Prepare for what never came! NOT thinking of - "No man knows the time, even Jesus"... how blind were we - apparently worse than the world who lives in darkness, or so to speak. We were under a spell - that was a rude awakening for a lot of people. When we got the good jobs, we were invested into their group pensions, savings, share privileges, and continued there until retirement. Was that Jehovah's help for us in finally waking up? Was that our start knowing these men who sit at a table, control and form mindless followers? Those who did as they were told, never received an apology from the organization that they ruined so many lives, NO! "it was our misunderstanding," they said, those who were ""faithful" to believe, were called 75's and laughed at by those new ones who did not understand. What a joke to perpetrate on us! I spoke with two elders who were saying how sick and failing are the older ones in the congregation - I could not help but say" yes, they are, and the Society said that ""MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE!" and yet Here we are!.

They are all dead and gone from that era (Rutherford)... and since then this organization controls minds even more, yet the spell continues..