jude 1:9 (kjv) yet michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, the lord rebuke thee.. matthew 4:10 (kjv) then saith jesus unto him, get thee hence, satan: for it is written, thou shalt worship the lord thy god, and him only shalt thou serve.
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.....my understanding is that you all believe jesus is michael the archangel....... the two verses above describe two different personalities..... the archangel in jude rebuked satan in the name of the father, because he knew it was not his place to rebuke him, he knew that he didn't have the authority to do so, that the only person who possesses this authority is god himself.... while jesus, in matthew 4:10, does not need to invoke the name of the father to rebuke satan, because the father and jesus are one, not michael and jesus..... .... because michael the archangel is not jesus christ our savior.....
When looking at Hebrews, God is speaking to A Son- Jesus. Not "sons of God". This is specific to Jesus vs an angel. Heb 1:2-8 - these verses clearly define The One. Jesus.
Pete: whomever he may be thinking of, we can only work on what is written. I am not struggling as you say, I believe it's very clear. Jesus and Michael are not the same, but thanks for that info.
a comedian in a comedy sketch at a trunp rally joked that the island of puerto rico is a floating island of garbage.. what to do???
potus pappy joe to the rescue!!
he sounds the alarm, comes out swinging and calls trump supporters, actual people, garbage.. .
Should be like two people who want everyone else to go to war but themselves. Put them in a ring and let the two fight it out, the winner is crowned! No one gets hurt or sullied. This race is pitiful, the worst of rhetoric, dumb, dumb!
jude 1:9 (kjv) yet michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, the lord rebuke thee.. matthew 4:10 (kjv) then saith jesus unto him, get thee hence, satan: for it is written, thou shalt worship the lord thy god, and him only shalt thou serve.
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.....my understanding is that you all believe jesus is michael the archangel....... the two verses above describe two different personalities..... the archangel in jude rebuked satan in the name of the father, because he knew it was not his place to rebuke him, he knew that he didn't have the authority to do so, that the only person who possesses this authority is god himself.... while jesus, in matthew 4:10, does not need to invoke the name of the father to rebuke satan, because the father and jesus are one, not michael and jesus..... .... because michael the archangel is not jesus christ our savior.....
To which one of the angels did he ( God ) call son? ( Hebrews 1:5) None- Michael is an ARCH ANGEL, like Gabriel- apparently, there were seven? Only Jesus was called son - he sits on God's right hand mentioned several times in scripture.
Re Jude vs 9- Michael the archangel disputing with Satan, and expanding on Strikers point- Jesus died in 33 ce- yet Jude, written years after Jesus' death, is saying Michael, (not Jesus way back when), disputed with Satan. If Jude understood Michael and Jesus were the same, would he not have referenced that important point? Wasn't Jude the brother of James - both Jesus half brothers who would know?
i have known a jehovah’s witness for approximately 15 years and i have considered her a friend although i know that jehovah’s witnesses cannot have friends who are not jehovah’s witnesses.
approximately two years ago, i was going through a very difficult time and i asked my friend if we could have bible study.
she said yes and we have been studying the bible since.
Unfortunately, being a "friend", visiting, helping, driving to meetings, studying- is what is done to "groom" a person to accept the "truth". The closeness is part of bringing a person into the hall, getting them baptized, maybe being a friend for a year or two, working with them out in service then things change. The love bombing you received when you first came to a meeting as a "person of the world" was another tactic to show "love to you. This fades over time and you find you are on your own, unless you go pioneering.- the ultimate goal for a single person - using your time and money and vehicle voluntarily to find more "friends"- unless of course,, you want to go to bethel to work as a volunteer, and sign a no monies contract.
You are wise to step back and take a hard look- this is a bait and switch deal - if you do anything wrong - once baptized, you can be disfellowshipped and then no one will speak with you until you "repent" and come back to the meetings.
https://youtu.be/6ga9v7ffrwk?si=0lor5qquapmq8ck4.
what you are about to watch is another leaked instalment from the recent annual meeting delivered by kenneth cook with the theme "help to tear down and build up" and highlights tge new take o disfellowshipping that will from now concentrate on major wrongdoing whereas minor wrongdoing will be dealt with kind and love.so the watchtower's at it again, rewriting the narrative like an old tv show that conveniently forgets a character's past.
for decades, the organization has been the ultimate gatekeeper, quick to kick out members for even minor missteps—let's not forget how jehovah's witnesses have had to grovel and practically beg to be reinstated.
Same day, different meanings to fool the courts - lawyers will really have to dig into this
didn't jehovah assign christ all power & authority?
so why no mention of him?.
from the january 2025 study watchtower: .
he will not pressure her to engage in sexual acts that make her feel uncomfortable, that are demeaning, or that bother her conscience..... the bible does not provide details as to what sexual practices between a husband and a wife should be considered clean or unclean.
a christian couple must make decisions that reflect their resolve to honor jehovah, to please each other, and to maintain a clean conscience.
generally speaking, a couple would not discuss with others this intimate aspect of their marriage..
Guess asking all those questions in a committee meeting of a sexual encounter by pubs has made them "interested" in what was something akin to "new" to them and wondered hum! Then again, why not make this "legal" so we can do it too! So its "her" decision, what does that say?
with the statement in the study watchtower this sunday, that stop serving jehovah is a serious sin, the following:.
- can i conclude now, that we, (i, wife and 2 children), since 2008 pomo and no longer active in any religious activity, are serious sinners for jehovahs witnesses?.
writing this in a watchtower, a statement like that, could have big implications.. it makes me so sad.
I am sure that everyone of a certain age can remember 1980-81 when Ray Franz and whole congregations in New York were df'd? Why? Independent thinking. Finding out dates were off, carrying on after book study to study the bible themselves... and on and on.. there was more to the story but we all know the outcome - Crisis of Conscience.
The org is so scared of anyone touting the independent thinking line they disparage anyone who dares to do it. If you do, you do not have Jehovahs holy spirit! You are an apostate! You are no longer a sister or brother!! SIde glances! Rumors!
They lost the "holy spirit" when they dropped him from the baptism question - begs to ask- how did any of the mags and books get written, if not from the help of that spirit? They can spout obey all they want - they are not to judge anyone, only One - or two can do that.
i have obtained the live link for the annual meeting tomorrow:.
annual meeting live link.
the meeting will begin at 9:45am eastern time, for those of us in the uk, that will be 2:45pm.
Anyone notice the number of new halls required for African countries. Seems the numbers given show large growth numbers over there. That means more calls for money to build those halls.
https://youtu.be/93h5zpbil6k?si=ffatfxjuxmj_na9i.
