Posts by truthlover123

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CSA and letters of response

by problemaddict 2 in

hi guys.

been a while since i've poked my head in.

i have a fairly specific question.

truthlover123

If you can find "Shepherding the Flock of God" book you can get the newest policies on child abuse there I believe.

Lately, the society has asked all materials be destroyed. That should give you an indication of where this society is going,'

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head coverings

by loveforgod in

hi there i am not a jw but i am having bible study.

i came to christianity a few months before and i was searching for the right path.

one of the things god spoke to me about and directed me in was to do away with all the vanity that was in me and now i wear the head covering and the modest dresses.

truthlover123

As a witness, u are not required to wear a head covering unless you are conducing a bible study yourself and there are men in the room not qualified to do so.. otherwise it is a personal thing.

Modest dresses can be beautiful depending on materials - ankle length, flowing, short to the knee, boots are a nice look with both - beautiful blouses with out the deep plunge, boat neck, so many lovely materials, lots of jewelry - you dont have to dress like a nun

The broader issue is with many things you wont learn by the bible study. You are searching. and that is a good thing but there are a lot of questions you want to ask every study session.

1) Is Jesus higher than the governing body or do they replace Jesus on earth after Armageddon? Jesus died for the world of mankind that believes in him, the governing body did not.

2)what is the directive on blood transfusions?

2A) Can women hold a position in the organization as a governing body member? Can women give a 1/2 hour talk on the platform- like a man would? What place does a woman have in the organization?

3)What is directive of dealing with family members not in the truth and who are good, kind people? Can you holiday with them?( mostly they want you out in service door to door to get more adherents- its an Amway thing - get more, make more money for society)

4)What is their position on the child abuse issues currently in courts around the world and the society is losing millions of dollars per year with lawyers and trials when the perverts get sentenced to jail?

5)Why the sell off of halls that originally was bought and upgraded by the volunteer publishers who are losing that money and their halls, just to be squeezed into another hall with another congregation?

6) why the constant barrage of money. money to an organization claiming to do worldwide work but really, where the money goes is not accounted for? They report some rebuilding work, but they do not help "worldly People" at all... no clinics, no food banks, no clothing - just money for worldwide work that there is no spending reports made. Lately its been to pay off for the disgusting perverts within the congregations who have lost their cases. The society has kept them in, protected them, never reported them to law. The innocent ones never believed- IN a lot of cases, they and theie families disfellowshipped because they accused a man of child abuse- good old boys club..now they have a voice and the society is paying. Big time. Check it out. Its on the internet. Be wary. Check out the ARC report in 2015-2016 - Australia 0ver 1006 perverts in organization - thousands of children affected - no pervert reported to law- congregations did not know these perverts were in the congregations and could prey on their kids as elders do not announce this - sick!

Research and ask a lot of questions.. You may open the eyes of your study partner

These are just few things you may want to know- do you investigation- this forum can help u with that.. lot of ex-jws, Circuit overseers and elders and bethelites have left the organization due to what they learned when close to the head... they are now called "apostates" yet all they wanted was the society to do the right thing

YOu will be told not to listen to media or read things that go against the society - keep in mind they have hired a PR firm to deal with media to downplay issues arising currently.

Hope this does not spin your head too much -- keep it simple and dont ask questions all at once.. one or two a session would be enough for you to get an idea of what is done

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retrospect on yesterday's wt "study" 29.

by waton in

go- teach.

par.1 : marching orders given to 500 attendees, none of them anointed, but 11 partakers, jesus taught and served people with an "earthly hope" and the commission to go was not as wt now claims a mandate to the gb members; the os only being supposed supporters.

4) new disciple stops drinking.

truthlover123

Par 15- so sickening-

we need to help the students to come to know HOW to live as a true Christian-

Assist him (not her) as he struggles to put bible principles into practise.... (while they are teaching him not to ask about blood, child abuse, lying, being a slave for the money they want to pay off legal losses, how to replace Jesus with the GB, sell off of halls etc)

That lesson is a joke opening with song 60- This means their Life

Opening song was Listen Obey and Be blessed...(Before the Talk and WT)

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Do You Think People Have Forgotten About 9/11?

by minimus in

jw
friends

after all these years, it seems to me that people do not properly take note of what happened on this date in 2001. for some, it’s like nothing major happened.

for me it is a day of reflection..

truthlover123

There is an excellent doc on tonight regarding the Cancelled Air Flights that were in mid air when all travel was stopped in USA and they were diverted into The Canadian Maritime provinces and how the air traffic controllers brought in those planes -- over 8000 passengers into their homes and towns and supplied them with food, clothing, all needs taken care of - when Pres. Bush closed down all air traffic coming from everywhere - I Believe 224 planes landed in a matter of hours...everyone had beds and home to stay in called 9/11 Cleared for Chaos on Discovery channel tonight

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The impact and consequences of being born into the jehovahs witness cult.

by RayoFlight2014 in

hi from new south wales australia.

fyi , it's tuesday 10th september 2:36am here.. i am categorically not going to blame the cult for every poor choice.

i am conscious of the fact that i was at a genetically determined disadvantage academically; i was never going to be outstanding in my achievements, no matter how hard i tried.

truthlover123

RoF- OMG! YOur experience and those of your family so closely look like mine and our children. Even the 1963 time frame...

Its sad, very sad, that the consequences of that faith?? brought so much pain when the premise is hope and love.

It is so profound that only those who have had their minds "cleaned" of the night terrors of Armageddon, the standing outside a classroom, not having close relationships with the kids in the community, no real joy of giving other than the good news? - not being involved in communal/sports affairs to learn to give and take.. its just so remarkable you and others have, at least, found some way to adapt- others do not and wear their pain on the inside for their lifetime as one of my kids is doing. It makes them sick, I see it as a PTSD syndrome- reliving every little thing that destroys them from the inside.

He too, was never baptized and I really appreciate that now, as I can talk with him and listen to the pain and have him near me rather than living apart and knowing he is so hurt.

Good for you, you have attained only what I wish for him... give love to the rest of your family and know that it was done because we believed it was the best thing that could happen... even when people at the door told us we were brainwashed, we never believed it - and now years later, know that what was said, was true.

HUGS TO YOU ALL

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Secondary fulfilment to prophecy?

by Doug Mason in

in its use of the prophecy contained in nebuchadnezzar's dream (daniel 4), the wts applies a "greater fulfilment" beyond its initial application.. while they complain about the wts's action, at the same time these people make their own secondary applications to prophecies, such as with micah 5:2. these people also find "greater" meaning to historical statements, such as at isaiah 9:6 and at isaiah 53.. such passages had their local meaning yet people are prepared to find their "greater application" which suits their ends, just as the wts does.

it is not an excuse to say that the nt writers indulged themselves in the practice.. i am not saying that i agree with the practice; i am simply seeking consistency and integrity.. doug.

truthlover123

I agree with Rickroll - several years ago they did not want anything applied - type/ anti type but since then they have BEEN RELIGIOUSLY DOING IT..

Same about talking about the new system.. we should not assume, we were told - yet on the platform the next year, teenagers were talking about what they were going to do and what would be there.... double talk is all the society does to further confuse an already confusing situation...

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Watchtower appeals the lawsuit in Quebec (Canada)

by yalbmert99 in

watchtower appeals the lawsuit in quebec (canada) french:.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1173405/temoins-jehovah-crimes-sexuels-appel.

truthlover123

Thanks Yal, had not heard much so that is a good bit of info

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Few observations made at the RC

by Crazyguy2 in

once again the mention of jesus was or has been very little this truly is an old testament cult with some sprinkles of pauline writings to help them in their doctrines.

i also noticed how mixed up the congregations are at this and probably other rcs.

some of the local congregations are here near the rcs site but also ones almost 100 miles away as well , yet other local congregations are not scheduled at this time.

truthlover123

Funny u should say that about all the love and that in the congregations. The study today was on that particular topic, I did not go but am still waiting for a phone call to see if I died. I was tied in on line though and did not miss the important message to care for those who are in the congregations....

JOKE

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Holy spirit indwelling

by Ding in

is it your understanding that any jw can have holy spirit indwell them or is that an experience a part of the anointing that the wt teaches is reserved for the 144,000?.

please provide references if you can..

truthlover123

The GB themselves at the 2012 Annual Meeting said that " we dont have a hole in the "ceiling" to determine what a scripture means,,, if they cannot reach agreement (is holy spirit working?) they put it in a drawer and sometimes in upcoming months/years, they may come to agreement as to what the scripture means. You would think that as acting as the all knowing , informed, chosen ones, that they would know - just like prophets of old would when angels visited them or God spoke directly to them, not re writing the bible to suit their objective.

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On Petition For A Writ Of Certiorari To The Court Of Appeal Of The State Of California, Fourth Appellate District, Division Two

by lastmanstanding in

has anyone read and considered the watchtower’s final submission to the supreme court?.

gag.. also, have you read and considered the final submission by zalkin?.

it’s interesting for sure.. zalkin hammers it home.

truthlover123

They are arrogant- no different than politicians, they work like politicians, have a gaggle of lawyers, accountants and pr firm to downplay the terrible abuses

They flaunt all the early law cases they successfully won over the years yet hide what is going on now-- how they fought for Rutherford and the boys to get out of prison, what a victory! How they fought for freedom of religion and choice for the society -- what a victory! Went to courts around the world - won their cases -plastered the holy spirit and Jehovah as the winners and decrying the legal authorities as the devil of this system---but the worm has turned and they are being made to pay big time...