Posts by Sanctifire

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Major flaw in the Society's 1914-Gentile Times doctrine

by peacedog in

one of the major flaws (i say one because there are many) in the society's '1914-gentile times' doctrine is an oft-overlooked one.

very simply, the watchtower society predicted the end of the "gentile times" for autumn of 1914; yet the first world war began in the summer of 1914 (july 28) and really was triggered in june of 1914 with the assassination of archduke ferdinand.

as such, the first world war actually lends no support whatsoever to the watchtower society's 1914-gentile times doctrine despite the fact that the society has continuously offered it as support.. rutherford was very aware of this major discrepancy in the doctrine.

Sanctifire

Hello one and all JWs and exJWs,

Well, I am well and truly EX at 81 and 50 years 'in the truth', while very Jehovah oriented since my removal in 2008.

On the basis of Ezekiel 21:25-27 there was to be a considerable chronological space between
Israel's last king Zedekiah and the one whose legal right it is: Jesus.

That space ended at Pentecost 33 when the Christ resumed the kingdom over those out of redeemed Israel-in-the-flesh
who had put faith in their redemption.

That, however, did not define the end of the Gentile times, which were to continue until 1914 when the heavenly Christ
became more intimately involved with preparing this multi-ethnic, multi-gender little flock of Israel in the flesh (Galatians 3:28-29)
for the ultimate establishment of the heavenly kingdom of the 1000 years.

They will be called shortly when the Christ sends his angels to collect them from death and those remaining on earth Matthew 24:29-31.
That kingdom nor any other was born in 1914, because its establishment is yet ahead AFTER the great tribulation upon unfaithful Isreal that began with the Roman onslaught and continuing even now until the 1000 year kingdom's birth.

All else is religious conjecture, where con is the operative word here.

So all the arguments about the WW1 and End of the Gentile Times mismatch is in vain simply there was never meant to be an exact one in the first place anyway, since the kingdom was yet more than 100 years into the future. This also connects to the vanity of the burden of witnessing to make millions of disciples, since only a 144000 were to be garnered from out of all the nations to become the kingdom, not all the nations and certainly not 8 million or so.

Bye, Dieter - You can always have a bit of a brain-engaged browse here: http://www.sanctifyname.com

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Philippians 2:5-11

by PSacramento in

in paul's letter to the phillipans, typically dated 50-60 ad, paul says:.

your attitude should be the same as christ.

you being the very nature(form) of god, did not consider equality to god as something to be held on to (grasped), but made himself nothing, thaking the very nature of a servant being made in human likeness.

Sanctifire

Its very difficult to write anything anywhere without offending someone. At 81 and after 50 years in the truth, as it were, that proves even more difficult. What is profoundly worse is that I have been disfellowshipped in January 2008 for allowing Jehovah's word to take precedence over man's and that seems really stupid because I am just a man with words. What now?
I am all on my own, do not associate with any religion nor shall I ever.

Ok now, Philippians 2:5-11; My Goodness what a mess. If there were no Old Testament or one believes in the Trinity those verses play a merry old and not so dissonant tune. Fine. Even if one's Christian legacy is without that tribal Roman Trinity, the editorial fiddles of the early Trinitarian and other apostates, have left an indelible mark on doctrine so much so that doctrinal matters Jesus, salvation and kingdom have remained virtually unchanged for non-Trinitarians. The son comes down from heaven, dies so that others can keep theirs and then gets his own life back, you know the one he had given away in exchange for the lives of others thus saved, and then goes back to heaven. That is a trinitarian charade.

Paul's all things written aforetime (Romans 15:4) needs to dominate the Christian mindset in order to determine what is true. That is all Jesus and the Apostles had as the basis for all they taught. Inspiration only came into play for accurately recalling events and reporting these accurately as well as explaining current in the light of the things the prophets had written -recall Philip explaining Isaiah 53 to the Ethiopian Eunuch.

It is absolutely imperative also to understand the use of plural personal pronouns in the NT as well as in the words of the OT Prophets.
The OT prophets only spoke to and about Israel. To identify the audience Isaiah 53 was written to, one only needs to read chapter 1. That Easy!

The NT is entirely about the Israel of God, the Bride of Christ, the little flock to be given the kingdom by God -Luke 12:32.
Although the whole of Jehovah's human creation will be the ultimate beneficiaries, unless a proper government is selected and installed first, no citizenry can exist to be governed and instructed.

The all things written aforetime are of course the OT. These set the scene or background for the new testament, which is not and never shall be a change of mind by Jehovah, because Israel had failed their initial assignment. All of Jehovah's original promises and assignments still stand as a guarantee that Jehovah shall ALWAYS keep His promises and has NEVER wavered from acomplishing His original purpose for Humanity
-Genesis 1:26-28.

The two most important and absolutely imperative types for the NT fulfilment antitypes are:
1. the Abraham/Isaac/sheep drama and
2. the Elijah-Elisha hand-over.

Just as there were three characters in the type or prefigurement:
Abraham - his only-begotten son Isaac offered in sacrifice - and a sheep that saved him and Israel still in his loins,
there are also three characters in the antitype:
Jehovah - His only-begotten son offered in sacrifice for Israel - and Jesus the sheep who saved him by dying instead.

Is that a problem? Which world did Jesus die for in John 3:16. Check it out yourselves in Strong's!

In both instances, type AND antitype, when the sheep died, the only begotten came off the real/virtual altar of Jehovah's will alive and able
to continue with God's purpose for him, while the sheep remained dead, having given its/his life for the one thus saved. The sheep must remain dead forever for the one saved to retain his. Is there anyone out there able to understand this? Too simple?

It only took early Christians a little over a hundred years or so to walk away from the invisible God Jehovah and embrace a dead Jesus on a cross or in some other concrete form that can be touched, kissed or otherwise venerated in the manner of all tribal practices and especially that of the Roman tradition of family worship.

The verses in Philippians 2:5-11 are all about Jehovah's only-begotten angelic son's full adoption as the very first member of Jehovah's family of divine beings as a true son of God of the same divine kind as God Himself. Another 143999 are currently awaiting a similar rebirth as divine sons of God as they are adopted at the resurrection of most already dead and the few left on earth at the change when called to their higher office in heavenly governance.

Too much? Yeah perhaps. Not easy for me either. Anyway, I have no heavenly or other aspirations. I only want to help my former team mates and all others loving Jehovah and His word. Thanks for allowing me to say this.

I do have a 144-page website, the URL of which I shall no divulge here for fear of offending the admin of this site and others.
It answers any and all questions/objections that will arise from the above.

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Please someone, explain scientifically how an omnipotent,omniscience,omnipresent,almighty GOD came from nothing

by smiddy in

only scientific responses needed smiddy

Sanctifire

The word and concept of Science means nothing less and only knowledge, not guesswork. They acquire knowledge of only what is already there and been placed there, wherever THERE might be, nothing else.

In the manner of: 'I think, therefore I am' is: 'I am, therefore I was made' I did not do that myself. I did not make my own incredible, yet to be comprehended in all its briliance by science, miracle of my brain and everyone elses. It is already there. All science can do is to discover more of it. Whole university departments are devoted to brain research. Greater minds than mine devote untold years to research its wondrous folds that are yet to unfold to the scientific world. Am I labouring the point? Sure am!

To coin the origin of everything accurately has, as you are all aware, two sides. Discovered reality and so-called scientific fiction

Here for the summary of the latter:

The big bang occurred when the fickle lance of fate penetrated the virginal womb of universal space via the hymen of ignorance r

esulting in the chaos of a cataclysmic orgasm which ultimately gave birth to a self-fertilizing virgin who became known to her progeny as mother nature.

That should even things out between the two protagonist religions: scientism and creationism, the latter of which have their own sets of fairytales at odds with reality.

The question asked about the beginning of God, if there was one and if so what was there before if anything, is impossible to answer. Religion of the christian kind, or unkind, goes to the Bible where Jesus said that God always works, yet He rested and there was a beginning of His Creation. Try to get your heads around that. Our mind in its current state of relative infancy, is just not equipped to cope with these imponderables, other than that He rested only with reference to the earth, to allow humans to make their own way after they refused to listen to His good advice.

There was a BBC series of 10 episodes recently, entitled Dangerous Knowledge, which documented the endeavours of a number of brilliant scientists' to understand infinity and, in consequence, the theory of everything and beyond, who were finally driven to successful suicides by the futility of their quests that remained perpetual enigmas. Some matters are just not explainable. Everything we relate to during the whole of our lives, is already there even as we are. We just discover and make use of them. For those who once were JWs, still are and others needing some answers please have a look at my website: http://www.sanctifyname.com where I deal seriously with many of such issues without taking myself too seriously.

Scientists should not monkey around with God. OK?