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  Missing WT Publications as pdf

  by Libarian in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am looking for two books as pdf: 1984 survival into a new earth and 1989 the bible, god's word or man's?.

  then i am on the look for some brochures as pdf: 1978,1979 and 1989 editions of jehovah's witnesses in the twentieth century.

  1986 jehovah's witnesses unitedly doing god's will worldwide.

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  cheers, Atlantis
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  Missing WT Publications as pdf

  by Libarian in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am looking for two books as pdf: 1984 survival into a new earth and 1989 the bible, god's word or man's?.

  then i am on the look for some brochures as pdf: 1978,1979 and 1989 editions of jehovah's witnesses in the twentieth century.

  1986 jehovah's witnesses unitedly doing god's will worldwide.

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  I am also interested in getting a link to:

  1977 Jehovah's Witnesses and the question of Blood

  Perhaps Atlantis can help?

  Thanks
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  Blood Fractions Transferring Between Placenta

  by turtleturtle in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  does anyone know how long, before this article came out, that science had determined blood fractions pass to the fetus?.

  it is significant that the blood system of a pregnant woman is separate from that of the fetus in her womb; their blood types are often different.

  the mother does not pass her blood into the fetus.

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  The PDF was found at http://jama.jamanetwork.com/data/Journals/JAMA/8301/jama_218_7_003.pdf
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  Blood Fractions Transferring Between Placenta

  by turtleturtle in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  does anyone know how long, before this article came out, that science had determined blood fractions pass to the fetus?.

  it is significant that the blood system of a pregnant woman is separate from that of the fetus in her womb; their blood types are often different.

  the mother does not pass her blood into the fetus.

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  Also, what are your guys thoughts on the JAMA article that the WT was quoting from this article:

  ***g724/8pp.29-30WatchingtheWorld***

  ♦ Men of science are constantly developing new methods for performing surgical operations. TheJournaloftheAmericanMedicalAssociation, dated November 15, 1971, described a procedure for open-heart surgery that employs “sever hemodilution.” Early in the operation a large quantity of blood is drawn off into a plastic blood bag. Though the bag is left connected to the patient by a tube, the removed and stored blood is no longer circulating in the patient’s system. It is replaced with a plasma volume expander, which dilutes the blood remaining in the veins and which gradually dissipates during the operative procedure. Near the conclusion of the operation the blood storage bag is elevated, and the stored blood is reinfused into the patient. The New York Times of November 9, 1971, reported on a somewhat similar procedure whereby some days before one undergoes surgery as much as four pints of blood are removed and stored. During the operation the person’s own stored blood is transfused back into him, thus avoiding the danger of disease and mismatched blood. These techniques are noteworthy to Christians, since they run counter to God’s Word. The Bible shows that blood is not to be taken out of a body, stored and then later reused.

  

  
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  Blood Fractions Transferring Between Placenta

  by turtleturtle in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  does anyone know how long, before this article came out, that science had determined blood fractions pass to the fetus?.

  it is significant that the blood system of a pregnant woman is separate from that of the fetus in her womb; their blood types are often different.

  the mother does not pass her blood into the fetus.

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  @ Marvin & others:

  First off, how do I subscribe to a thread?

  Can you give me some background into the whole hemodilution thing? Do JW's still have to have a circulatory system hooked up when accepting hemodilution?

  Also what is "sever hemodilution" mentioned in the Awake '72 4/8 pp. 29-30? I have googled that term and cannot find anything?

  I am trying to decipher whether the GB changed the stance on hemodilution simply because their opinion changed. Or, was it because the procedure changed over time?

  *** w59 10/15 p. 640 Questions From Readers ***

  If, however, hemorrhaging should occur at the time of an operation and by some means the blood is immediately channeled back into the body, this would be allowable. The use of some device whereby the blood is diverted and a certain area or organ is temporarily bypassed during surgery would be Biblically permissible, for the blood would be flowing from one’s body through the apparatus and right back into the body again. On the other hand, if the blood were stored, even for a brief period of time, this would be a violation of the Scriptures.

  The use of another person’s blood to “prime” any device employed in surgery is objectionable. In this case the blood would circulate through the system of the patient, becoming mixed with his own. Again, if one’s own blood would have to be withdrawn at intervals and stored until a sufficient amount had accumulated to set a machine in operation, this too would fall under Scriptural prohibition. The ones involved in the matter are in the best position to ascertain just how the blood would be handled and must bear responsibility before Jehovah for seeing that it is not handled unscripturally.

  ***g724/8pp.29-30WatchingtheWorld***

  ♦ Men of science are constantly developing new methods for performing surgical operations. TheJournaloftheAmericanMedicalAssociation, dated November 15, 1971, described a procedure for open-heart surgery that employs “sever hemodilution.” Early in the operation a large quantity of blood is drawn off into a plastic blood bag. Though the bag is left connected to the patient by a tube, the removed and stored blood is no longer circulating in the patient’s system. It is replaced with a plasma volume expander, which dilutes the blood remaining in the veins and which gradually dissipates during the operative procedure. Near the conclusion of the operation the blood storage bag is elevated, and the stored blood is reinfused into the patient. The New York Times of November 9, 1971, reported on a somewhat similar procedure whereby some days before one undergoes surgery as much as four pints of blood are removed and stored. During the operation the person’s own stored blood is transfused back into him, thus avoiding the danger of disease and mismatched blood. These techniques are noteworthy to Christians, since they run counter to God’s Word. The Bible shows that blood is not to be taken out of a body, stored and then later reused.

  ***w893/1p.31QuestionsFromReaders***

  What about induced hemodilution? Some surgeons believe that it is advantageous for a patient’s blood to be diluted during surgery. Thus, at the start of an operation, they direct some blood to storage bags outside a patient’s body and replace such with nonblood fluids; later, the blood is allowed to flow from the bags back to the patient. Since Christians do not let their blood be stored, some physicians have adapted this procedure, arranging the equipment in a circuit that is constantly linked to the patient’s circulatory system. Some Christians have accepted this, others have refused. Again, each individual must decide whether he would consider the blood diverted in such a hemodilution circuit to be similar to that flowing through a heart/lung machine, or he would think of it as blood that left him and therefore should be disposed of.
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  Blood Fractions Transferring Between Placenta

  by turtleturtle in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  does anyone know how long, before this article came out, that science had determined blood fractions pass to the fetus?.

  it is significant that the blood system of a pregnant woman is separate from that of the fetus in her womb; their blood types are often different.

  the mother does not pass her blood into the fetus.

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  turtleturtle

  @Marvin,

  I will check this reference out? Thank you very much for this reference.
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  Hemodilution

  by turtleturtle in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  did hemodilution change at one point in time?

  and, is that why there was a policy change in the wt?.

  in other words, did fractions & procedures change and is that why policies changed?.

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  @ TD:

  ***g724/8pp.29-30WatchingtheWorld***

  ♦ Men of science are constantly developing new methods for performing surgical operations. TheJournaloftheAmericanMedicalAssociation, dated November 15, 1971, described a procedure for open-heart surgery that employs “sever hemodilution.” Early in the operation a large quantity of blood is drawn off into a plastic blood bag. Though the bag is left connected to the patient by a tube, the removed and stored blood is no longer circulating in the patient’s system. It is replaced with a plasma volume expander, which dilutes the blood remaining in the veins and which gradually dissipates during the operative procedure. Near the conclusion of the operation the blood storage bag is elevated, and the stored blood is reinfused into the patient. The New York Times of November 9, 1971, reported on a somewhat similar procedure whereby some days before one undergoes surgery as much as four pints of blood are removed and stored. During the operation the person’s own stored blood is transfused back into him, thus avoiding the danger of disease and mismatched blood. These techniques are noteworthy to Christians, since they run counter to God’s Word. The Bible shows that blood is not to be taken out of a body, stored and then later reused.

  Would an "extra tube" still be required now? The WT literature does not seem to indicate that would be the case.

  *** w00 10/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
  For example, during certain surgical procedures, some blood may be diverted from the body in a process called hemodilution. The blood remaining in the patient is diluted. Later, his blood in the external circuit is directed back into him, thus bringing his blood count closer to normal.

  It seems like the position did soften, since the "new light" does not require uninterruped circulation.

  *** hb p. 27 Jehovah’s Witnesses—The Surgical/Ethical Challenge ***
  Techniques for intraoperative collection or hemodilution that involve blood storage are objectionable to them. However, many Witnesses permit the use of dialysis and heart-lung equipment (non-blood-prime) as well as intraoperative salvage where the extracorporeal circulation is uninterrupted
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  Hemodilution

  by turtleturtle in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  did hemodilution change at one point in time?

  and, is that why there was a policy change in the wt?.

  in other words, did fractions & procedures change and is that why policies changed?.

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  turtleturtle

  Did hemodilution change at one point in time? And, is that why there was a policy change in the WT?

  In other words, did fractions & procedures change and is that why policies changed?
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  Are You a Canadian Child Abuse Victim Seeking Legal Assistance?

  by headisspinning in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  once again, rick simons (the lawyer representing candace conti) has shared some helpful information.

  if you do not live in the usa but need assistance finding a lawyer who understands how to properly handle a child abuse case involving harmful watchtower policy, please contact:.

  jeff anderson or mike finnegan at anderson advocates in minnesota, as they are the center of a general national network of child sex abuse lawyers.

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  I just hope that, now that there is precedent, there are no false accusations. Some people in this world are money hungry and would off their grandma for $! I hate lies. At the same time, those guilty must pay.
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  Hemophiliac Horror Before Clotting Factors Were Available (READ)

  by turtleturtle in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  certain clotting factors derived from blood are now in wide use for the treatment of hemophilia, a disorder causing uncontrollable bleeding.

  however, those given this treatment face another deadly hazard: the swiss medical weekly schweizermedwochenschrift reports that almost 40 percent of 113 hemophiliacs studied had cases of hepatitis.

  all these patients had received whole blood, plasma, or blood derivatives containing [the factors], notes the report.

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  *** g75 2/22 p. 30 Watching the World ***

  ♦ Certain clotting “factors” derived from blood are now in wide use for the treatment of hemophilia, a disorder causing uncontrollable bleeding. However, those given this treatment face another deadly hazard: the Swiss medical weekly SchweizerMedWochenschrift reports that almost 40 percent of 113 hemophiliacs studied had cases of hepatitis. “All these patients had received whole blood, plasma, or blood derivatives containing [the factors],” notes the report. Of course, true Christians do not use this potentially dangerous treatment, heeding the Bible’s command to ‘abstain from blood.’—Acts 15:20, 28, 29.