hsmew,
LOL!
Ranchette
as this un issue has unfolded we have been working very hard to expose the hypocrisy and deceit of the society to our friends and family and also the public.. we continue to be shocked and amazed at the crazy stunts the wtbs pulls.. when i heard that dutch bethel had something to say about this i started thinking about the uninted we stand, divided we fall concept.. i am wondering if we could put more effort into getting this important information to all wt branches all over the world.. as these issues crop up it would be great if we could publicize all of the branches, their addresses, phone#, fax #, e-mails etc.. i noticed that even within brooklyn they dont always know what is going on.. i was thinking that if i were in one of the other branches around the world i would be enraged that brooklyn got us into this mess and brought reproach on jahs name they are also screwing up with the child abuse issue and many others.. is it possible to cause these other branches to question and turn on brooklyn?.
any thoughts on this out there?.
ranchette
hsmew,
LOL!
Ranchette
as this un issue has unfolded we have been working very hard to expose the hypocrisy and deceit of the society to our friends and family and also the public.. we continue to be shocked and amazed at the crazy stunts the wtbs pulls.. when i heard that dutch bethel had something to say about this i started thinking about the uninted we stand, divided we fall concept.. i am wondering if we could put more effort into getting this important information to all wt branches all over the world.. as these issues crop up it would be great if we could publicize all of the branches, their addresses, phone#, fax #, e-mails etc.. i noticed that even within brooklyn they dont always know what is going on.. i was thinking that if i were in one of the other branches around the world i would be enraged that brooklyn got us into this mess and brought reproach on jahs name they are also screwing up with the child abuse issue and many others.. is it possible to cause these other branches to question and turn on brooklyn?.
any thoughts on this out there?.
ranchette
As this UN issue has unfolded we have been working very hard to expose the hypocrisy and deceit of the Society to our friends and family and also the public.
We continue to be shocked and amazed at the crazy stunts the WTBS pulls.
When I heard that Dutch Bethel had something to say about this I started thinking about the “UNINTED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL” concept.
I am wondering if we could put more effort into getting this important information to all WT branches all over the world.
As these issues crop up it would be great if we could publicize all of the branches, their addresses, phone#, Fax #, e-mails etc.
I noticed that even within Brooklyn they don’t always know what is going on.
I was thinking that If I were in one of the other branches around the world I would be enraged that Brooklyn got us into this mess and brought reproach on Jah’s name They are also screwing up with the child abuse issue and many others.
Is it possible to cause these other branches to question and turn on Brooklyn?
Any thoughts on this out there?
Ranchette
so what will happen now?.
the 1914 debacle means that the urgency has gone.
"armageddon ernie" has slipped into sheol and still awaits resurrection.
E man,
Good post!
"THE GREAT FALLING AWAY" it has a ring to it.
Not much to add to what the others have said except when you used the words "Outies" and "Innies", it makes us all sound like a bunch of belly buttons!Lol
i like molson canadian,except when i`m out of the country.then i only drink imported beer...molson canadian.
My favorite import is MOLSON GOLDEN
My favorite cheap good tasting beer is SOUTH PAW
But I haven't gotten around to trying ALL the beers in the world yet so my favorites are subject to change.
Ranchette
are we too hard on ourselves and others at times?.
i posted the following on msils "crazy prisoner" thread but i wanted to start a new one because i think we all have felt this way at one time or the other.. wondering why we cant just get it together and leave the past behind?
then i find that i think i have my life together and im wondering whats wrong with every one else?
bttt
finally rehashed something i wrote about 5 years ago, entitled "how to create a vision of paradise":.
http://jsefton.users1.50megs.com/paradise.htm.
(randy watters mentioned something about putting part i in freeminds journal; i don't know if it ever happened)
Hi Steph,
Good work.
I enjoyed that.
Ranchette
when does the 'dumbth' in this organization hit bottom?.
anybody remember when questions were read aloud before the.
paragraph, during the watchtower study?.
Treeny,
We once had an elder alot like the one you describe.
He basically was from another planet and no one was on his wave length!
He would go from person to person like you said and insult anyone who didn't come up with the exact word he was looking for.
He made it a habit to insult the whole bookstudy on a regular basis and then accuse us of being stupid because no one wanted to raise their hand and take that abuse!!
He was Crazy and mean!
Ranchette
are we too hard on ourselves and others at times?.
i posted the following on msils "crazy prisoner" thread but i wanted to start a new one because i think we all have felt this way at one time or the other.. wondering why we cant just get it together and leave the past behind?
then i find that i think i have my life together and im wondering whats wrong with every one else?
Are we too hard on ourselves and others at times?
I posted the following on Msil’s "Crazy Prisoner" thread but I wanted to start a new one because I think we all have felt this way at one time or the other.
Wondering why we can’t just get it together and leave the past behind?
Then I find that I think I have my life together and I’m wondering what’s wrong with every one else? Then it starts all over again!
I believe we sometimes expect too much and are too hard on others and ourselves.
Read Msil’s story first and then read this and then maybe we can understand a little better why we are going through these cycles.
Msil,
I’ve been thinking about this story.
If this guy had a happy well adjusted normal life before he served this long prison sentence and he had all his friends and family on the out side waiting for him with open arms when he got out, then I would think something was very wrong with him if he could
Not take his memories of this past life along with his wonderful support system and get on with life instead of being obsessed with life inside of the prison.
But that is not how it happens for so many.
This is closer to what happens.
He was raised in a terribly dysfunctional family never knowing what normal is.
In fact some of his family is in prison before him. He as a result of this foundation grows up and spends most of his life in prison. All his friends are in prison (such as they are) all he knows is prison life.
After this long life sentence he is release. Freedom at Last!! Or is it, he asks?
He’s never known any thing else and doesn’t know where to start.
No support system.
No Family
No Friends
No past to map a new life.
This is very scary and can be paralyzing.
We can become obsessed with our past because it’s all we know. We want our friends and family released from prison too!
We can over come this but no one has a right to tell us to “JUST GET OVER IT!”
So yes, we stand outside the gates staring back in.
Yes we will do just about anything to free the ones we love.
It just takes time.
Ranchette
most of you have read about my mother having problems with the dubs yet still believing that they are the truth.
she surprised me today by going on kent and randy's websites and reading them -- she did this for most of the day.
now she is reading crisis of conscious.
Wow!
I'm so happy for you!
So many of us hope our friends and family would look at both sides like this instesd of staying inside the bubble.
Let us know how she comes along.
Ranchette
as one of the knowledge-seekers who has not had the means or opportunity to do a lot of research i have benefitted greatly from the work of alan, jan and some some others.. i have a question concerning the different "paths" which are followed on the way "out" of the dubs.
how many paths are there?
how does one find the questions to ask - without getting stuck in a direction?.
Msil,
I know we have some simular views.
Have you read AGE OF REASON by Thomas Payne and
A HISTORY OF GOD by Karen Armstrong?If you haven't please do.You can check these out at the library.
Also if you haven't read COMBATTING CULT MIND CONTROL by Steven Hassen
I have a copy for you.Just email me your work address.
They helped me to feel comfortable going at my own pace with all of this.
We don't have to have all the answers at once.
We've been so used to being told what to do that freedom is a little scary.
We were also taught to put our hopes and deams on the back burner so as a result we are not used to knowing what we want out of life.
We have to get used to this gift of freedom and responsibility.
The reason I use the word responsibility is because it is up to us now to take control of our lives.
Making mistakes is one way we learn.So the worst thing that can happen is you try something and it doesn't work you have to try something else.Not the end of the world like we were taught as JW's.
We don't have to fear condemnation for normal human mistakes.
Relax and try to enjoy your life while searching for answers.
Ranchette