Lilacs,
Great minds think alike
Ranchette
i got a strange e-mail.
one of "those" just comes outa nowhere and disapears like the lone ranger.. then i read my scope: .
not everybody who comes along with a smile, a handshake and an arsenal of statistics really knows what they are talking about.
Lilacs,
Great minds think alike
Ranchette
i got a strange e-mail.
one of "those" just comes outa nowhere and disapears like the lone ranger.. then i read my scope: .
not everybody who comes along with a smile, a handshake and an arsenal of statistics really knows what they are talking about.
I think Asrology is interesting but I don't like the idea of giving it much weight in my life.
Reading a daily horiscope is too close for my comfort to reading WT's Daily Text.
Ranchette
here i thought i was going to get through the memorial season in peace this year.. how wrong i was!.
was this supposed to be a memorial invitation?.
yesterday i got an unexpected phone call from my mom.. i said hi and asked her how she was.. she said not very good.. i told her i was sorry to hear that and that i was concerned about her health problems and asked if she had had any tests done or gotten results.. she said no thats not why she wasnt doing well.. i could tell from the tone of her voice that this wasnt going to be pretty.. she told me that the reason she wasnt doing well is because the memorial was coming up,.
First of all I want to say thank you to everyone.
Next I’d like to say that this is not a case of mom and daughter having a close wonderful relationship and then when daughter leaves the organization mom is left hurt.
The sad truth is she has been verbally and emotionally abusive with me all my life.
She also is this way with my sister and father.
I still love her but am getting stronger the longer I am away from her.
That being said I wanted to let yall know how I handled this situation.
I thought about what everyone has said and I decided to get a card to reassure her of my love and I also wrote a letter.
I am sharing both with you and anyone who thinks this is wrong can go to another thread now.
I did not try to address every issue she raised in our phone conversation but tried to stick to a main subject
This will be long and take up lots of space.
I don’t usually say a lot here so I figure I’ll make up for it now
When I went to the card store all I could find was sappy mushy cards that didn’t fit our relationship until I found this one.
They say
That the
Mother- Daughter
bond
is one of the
strongest.
They say it can never be broken,
NO
MATTER
WHAT.
And that
means
everything.
It means
its okay
if it takes a long time to understand each other on some things.
There are deeper things that are understood without saying.
And those are the most important.
It means some things don’t have to be understood or solved or perfect.
It means we just keep on loving each other through life.
Through everything
NO
MATTER
What!
The following is the letter I wrote her. Names and places are changed.
Mom,
Hello again.
This card seems to express my feelings very well. Looks like we have some work to do on our relationship.
It is not natural, normal, or condoned by God for you to cast your daughters away or judge them because they don’t believe the way you do. I understand that your religion is your life and that is fine but I made a choice over a year ago that I would no longer pretend to live something I don’t believe in.
You don’t have to agree with this but you should accept this and respect me for no longer being a hypocrite.
This would save you so much pain.
It is wrong to pretend to your family that you have a close relationship with your daughters when you don’t. You don’t approve of our choices in life and you’ve made that very clear. Since you believe your path is from God and ours from Satan, this tends to create a huge wall between us.
The coldness and distance you feel with your parents is not the result of anything I have done wrong.
I have been nothing but honest and I have no reason to cover up or protect the teachings of this religion. If they are right then let them stand as they are.
If you truly believe these teachings are scriptural as you claim then you should be completely honest with your parents about how you feel about my sister and I no longer being JWs and how your “conscience won’t allow you to have much to do with us.”
You’ve said these words to me twice.
No wonder you are so uncomfortable, your parents hear the truth from me and my sister and get a completely different version from you.
Think about this please.
Your parents love you just as they always have. They did their homework on the on the JWs years ago and they know the real truth about what they teach.
They can see right through you every time you try to make things look rosy to protect WT image.
Please be honest with yourself and stop blaming me.
I terminated our last phone conversation because you were completely out of control, hurling accusations and guilt trips. I couldn’t get a word in especially at the last.
I will not be your emotional punching bag anymore! I will hang up every time this happens in the future and I will walk out if we are in person.
It’s not good for either of us……….
Love,
Your daughter
Some may think this is harsh but I believe I have been too kind.
This is the second I have been called out of the blue and blindsided by her rantings on this subject.
She needs help from a DR and a firm hand from those that love her.
Ranchette
here i thought i was going to get through the memorial season in peace this year.. how wrong i was!.
was this supposed to be a memorial invitation?.
yesterday i got an unexpected phone call from my mom.. i said hi and asked her how she was.. she said not very good.. i told her i was sorry to hear that and that i was concerned about her health problems and asked if she had had any tests done or gotten results.. she said no thats not why she wasnt doing well.. i could tell from the tone of her voice that this wasnt going to be pretty.. she told me that the reason she wasnt doing well is because the memorial was coming up,.
Comf,
That is a good suggestion but she was so out of control that I couldn't get a word in much less a sentence.
I have thought about sending her a card reassuring her of my love and adding that I'm always happy to talk if it's in a reasonable rational way.
Ranchette
here i thought i was going to get through the memorial season in peace this year.. how wrong i was!.
was this supposed to be a memorial invitation?.
yesterday i got an unexpected phone call from my mom.. i said hi and asked her how she was.. she said not very good.. i told her i was sorry to hear that and that i was concerned about her health problems and asked if she had had any tests done or gotten results.. she said no thats not why she wasnt doing well.. i could tell from the tone of her voice that this wasnt going to be pretty.. she told me that the reason she wasnt doing well is because the memorial was coming up,.
Now yall might understand why I dream of disfellowshipping as a good thing,a protection,a sort of armor from the whole bunch of them!
My life is so happy and peaceful till she decides to disrupt the serenity.
It helped to write this out.
It has been rattling around in my brain for two days.
Ranchette
here i thought i was going to get through the memorial season in peace this year.. how wrong i was!.
was this supposed to be a memorial invitation?.
yesterday i got an unexpected phone call from my mom.. i said hi and asked her how she was.. she said not very good.. i told her i was sorry to hear that and that i was concerned about her health problems and asked if she had had any tests done or gotten results.. she said no thats not why she wasnt doing well.. i could tell from the tone of her voice that this wasnt going to be pretty.. she told me that the reason she wasnt doing well is because the memorial was coming up,.
I wanted to mention that what she is refering to with regards to her parents is that she has been shunning my husband and has told me more than once that her conscience wouldn't let her have close association with me.
Niether of us are DF or DA.
I am honest when my Grandparents ask questions.
They know I quit a year ago and want to know how things are.
They know all about JWs and are concerned.
Mom pretends every thing is fine between us to protect WT image.
They have her # and she is mad at me for it.
Ranchette
here i thought i was going to get through the memorial season in peace this year.. how wrong i was!.
was this supposed to be a memorial invitation?.
yesterday i got an unexpected phone call from my mom.. i said hi and asked her how she was.. she said not very good.. i told her i was sorry to hear that and that i was concerned about her health problems and asked if she had had any tests done or gotten results.. she said no thats not why she wasnt doing well.. i could tell from the tone of her voice that this wasnt going to be pretty.. she told me that the reason she wasnt doing well is because the memorial was coming up,.
Here I thought I was going to get through the Memorial season in peace this year.
How wrong I was!
Was this supposed to be a Memorial invitation?
Yesterday I got an unexpected phone call from my mom.
I said hi and asked her how she was.
She said “not very good.”
I told her I was sorry to hear that and that I was concerned about her health problems and asked if she had had any tests done or gotten results.
She said no that’s not why she wasn’t doing well.
I could tell from the tone of her voice that this wasn’t going to be pretty.
She told me that the reason she wasn’t doing well is because the Memorial was coming up,
(That’s as far as she got before sobbing the rest) saying she just doesn’t understand how I can turn my back on the truth and be so unappreciative of the sacrifice that Christ Jesus made for us.
She blubbered and spewed guilt trips till I stopped her and said “Mom I have tried over and over to help you understand where I’m at and why I feel the way I do and everytime you tell me to shut up.
She gets mad and loud and shouts, “I’ve never told you to shut up!”
Then I said, “okay maybe you haven’t said those words but you have said STOP DON”T SAY ANYMORE over and over again and those words have the same meaning and result”
Then she goes into a rant about JWs and disfellowshipping and how it is scriptural and I should agree with it ….
(I don’t know what the Hell that was all about because I’m not DF or Da.)
I said “Mom I don’t want to argue Bible doctrine with you.”
She then completely drops this and leaps a new subject.
She says that the Catholic Church has stuff plastered all over the news about child abuse and the fact that the JW issue has not been exposed in the same way means we don’t have anything!
She basically tells me we are lying about the extent of the problem with the JWs.
I told her not to speak so fast, their day is coming.
She kept pushing asking why it isn’t on national news yet and I told her that it has been in the news just not to the extent as the Catholics because the JWs are insignificant in the public in comparison.
She said, “ That is not true!”
I said “Mom I don’t know why you want to call up and get me and you both upset?”
She said, “I’ll tell you why! Because of what you have done!”
You have ruined my relationship with my parents!
I told her that I have only been truthful with them.
She starts screaming at me “you should have kept it to yourself!
By this time she is completely out of control and will not allow me to say a word.
Every time I tried to say something she would scream louder and faster.
I got a picture in my head of a train running over me so I just hung up on her Psychotic a**!
There was a time not so long ago that I would have felt obligated to be her captive audience so she could dish out all the abuse she wanted.
I was more than patient with her and should have hung up on her sooner!
Ranchette
ive only been on this board for less then a month.
how sad for me to see that for many people who are disfollewshipped still think in fear and quilt.
-------people who kill themselves just cant live in the world they created, they are in hell.. many people on this web site are in hell too, they cant go into the real world, and they cant go back to the borg.. my suggestion is since your out right now.. take some time.
Patriot,
I was raised as a JW too and like you didn't have a choice and have quite abit of anger as a result but I try to direct it where it's deserved.
I believe newboy wrote this post because he truly cares about the people here.
It is true that it is a mistake to lump us all into the same catagory but then again he did say "many people on this website" not everyone here.
Please try to understand what he is saying here and the spirit it was said in .
Ranchette
i know we talked about it when it was playing in the theaters, but i'm too lazy to look up that thread and i think it was in the main forum anyway.
i just got the dvd and watched half of it.
if you haven't seen it it's definitely worth renting.
Sorry but I hated it too.
I couldn't feel anything for those artificial people.
The bear was the best actor in the movie.
Ranchette
just wondering how many of us "apostates" have gone all the way and become bikers.. i have just bought a yamaha xjr 1300cc and i also own a vw trike.. any one else out there into leathers/heavy drinking/rock music/rallys/drugs?
oh yeah and bikes?
We own a Goldwing and are members of GWRRA.
Silverwings are completly acceptable in our neck of the woods.
We just had a Goldwing show at the mall and we even let a Honda Vaulkrie be in the exibitions.That is one cool Bike!
Silverwings are popular with the ladies because the size is easier to manage than a Goldwing.
Ranchette