i have been completely out for close to 5 years and i have spent alot of time with individuals who either left or are in the process of leaving.
whenever we get to talking about what made you leave or what was it that made the flip switch, the initial answer is some doctrinal teaching.
in other instances it was just sorrow or a variety of other things.. however, as you get closer to many of these individuals it was generally a secret sin they committed at the root of it all.
I appreciate your ability to be able to respond without anger. I also like the viewpoint you put forth. My circle of exjws is quite small but there was this common strand that ran through all their experiences.
I also prefer talking to people who don't agree with me, it helps me to expa d my world view. Thanks bro
i have been completely out for close to 5 years and i have spent alot of time with individuals who either left or are in the process of leaving.
whenever we get to talking about what made you leave or what was it that made the flip switch, the initial answer is some doctrinal teaching.
in other instances it was just sorrow or a variety of other things.. however, as you get closer to many of these individuals it was generally a secret sin they committed at the root of it all.
I personally do not believe in the concept of secret sin. Afterall it is apparent to me that if there was a creator of sorts he has done nothing to fully inform us how to contact him or how to really do what he wants. He never talks directly to anyone so either so a secret sin seems a bit far-fetched.
However, with the JW mindset in which Jehovo is watching all the time the concept makes sense. After all He knows you told a lie, but somehow watching big breasted asian lesbians getting it on then going in the bathroom and beating off in a sock without telling your wife or the elders appeared to be worse somehow.
Stuckinarut I think maybe you are under the impression that I adhere to that train of thought, but I do not any LONGER. I always considered myself to be a person of high moral standards which is why listening to songs of a certain type caused me to want to repent before JEHOBO, I then felt so guilty that I felt unworthy to even pray. That circumstance sparked a change in me that caused me to look at why I felt that way.
There is no need to apologize for being blunt. It is a discussion board and I hope that part of the reason people come here is to express their opinions and possibly change them based on the experience of others. Pretty far-fetched I know.
i have been completely out for close to 5 years and i have spent alot of time with individuals who either left or are in the process of leaving.
whenever we get to talking about what made you leave or what was it that made the flip switch, the initial answer is some doctrinal teaching.
in other instances it was just sorrow or a variety of other things.. however, as you get closer to many of these individuals it was generally a secret sin they committed at the root of it all.
I have been completely out for close to 5 years and I have spent alot of time with individuals who either left or are in the process of leaving. Whenever we get to talking about what made you leave or what was it that made the flip switch, the initial answer is some doctrinal teaching. In other instances it was just sorrow or a variety of other things.
However, as you get closer to many of these individuals it was generally a secret sin they committed at the root of it all. They had a habit of watching porn and didnt want to come forward. Maybe they were over drinking but just didn't want to tell on themselves. They slowly stopped praying and THEN began to find fault. After thinking deeply about this the same thing happened to me. I had a real issue with listening to religious music that completely contradicted JW teachings. I got to the point that nothing seemed real anymore. I slowly slide into examining teachings and then things happened.
Many people that I got close to later on realized this was the case with many of them. Some with porn and too embarrassed to tell. Alchohol and the like. THey stop praying and then start questioning. The sad part is I know 3 witnesses who committed suicide. 2 of the three had admitted to the elders that there had been secret sins being committed and they could no longer pray anymore and the embarrassment of what they had done was too much.
THis idea of secret sin is foolish but can lead to serious consequences it seems.
i just got a call from a friend who said that something in last weeks watchtower caused a number of people in various congregations to start questioning things, and several long time elders left.
i am totally out of the loop but i do read things here and i heard of no such thing.. something to the effect that jw's and governing boobies are not inspired or something along those lines?.
jp1692 I just saw that like 10 minutes ago, they must have had their wires crossed on the dates. Pretty scary that they would actually say that in a Watchtower and people arent leaving in droves...
i just got a call from a friend who said that something in last weeks watchtower caused a number of people in various congregations to start questioning things, and several long time elders left.
i am totally out of the loop but i do read things here and i heard of no such thing.. something to the effect that jw's and governing boobies are not inspired or something along those lines?.
I was told from a friend it had something to do with saying the organization is not directed by God. Thanks for the link I will go look
i just got a call from a friend who said that something in last weeks watchtower caused a number of people in various congregations to start questioning things, and several long time elders left.
i am totally out of the loop but i do read things here and i heard of no such thing.. something to the effect that jw's and governing boobies are not inspired or something along those lines?.
I just got a call from a friend who said that something in last weeks Watchtower caused a number of people in various congregations to start questioning things, and several long time elders left. I am totally out of the loop but I do read things here and I heard of no such thing.
Something to the effect that JW's and governing boobies are not inspired or something along those lines?
a poster recently inferred that i was never a jw, but was only on this site to spread a 'political' dogma.
not true!.
anyway, cleaning up some old files this morning, i found an old 'story of life' post that i made (i think) on another xjw site.
What is totally totally totally amazing is that about 5 years ago I made a sim solar post on another site about a song that made me realize it was time to go...
reading your post made me feel emotions I have not felt since that period. I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.
if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?
how will people 200 years from now look back on us?
When bros attack
christopher columbus could be next on the monuments chopping block.. the 76-foot structure honoring the explorer at columbus circle should be among the statues reviewed by the city for potential purging, city council speaker melissa mark-viverito said on monday.. http://nypost.com/2017/08/21/columbus-circle-monument-could-be-next-statue-to-go/.
if this goes on, these people are just validating what the orange one said, where will it stop?
how will people 200 years from now look back on us?
Redvip2000..... u just tugged up. Your comment demonstrates that you can think and reason instead of being dogmatic about a point. This means the 5 bros will now forsake you.
during mao's cultural revolution images of the past were destroyed by the red guard.
temples and churches were looted and religious statues destroyed.. this image was taken by li zhengshen at the jile temple in august 1966. the sign on the wall translates as "smash the old world".. will the left never learn?.
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yeah... that is what I thought you meant as well...
