Posts by silentbuddha

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Fade..... or this?

by Giordano in

there are four ways to leave the 'truth'...... alive............you can be disfellowshiped...... then shunned, you can formally disassociate yourself and be shunned........ you can fade.

the first two words belong to the society, fade on the other hand is defined as 'to gradually grow faint and disappear.

' 'walking away' has it's own negative connotation about one's commitments and relationships.. i think some folks feel uncomfortable with these words.

silentbuddha

Those 1st 2 words don't belong to the Society

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

silentbuddha

OrphanCrow thanks for those links. I never really talked about it much because No one really cares about the MOU. LOL

There was a real presence however at Bethel because most of the black brothers were criticized in their local territories for being a part of the "white man's religion. So alot of them woulkd try to mesh the two. Sit and actually exchange ideas etc.

It was rather interesting.

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The most pressing question on people's minds? Watchtower artwork & Paul's Baldness!!!

by doubtfull1799 in

with hundreds, if not thousands, of letters being sent in to the society asking for answers re their child abuse policies and poorly supported doctrines, what does the watchtower decide is the most important question from readers to answer this month?

why is paul always depicted as bald apparently!.

???????

silentbuddha

Although it is very humorous and shows just how ridiculous they can be when determining what is important, I find it odd that they point to a Watchtower from 1901, that is suggesting that an apocryphal text is a legitimate source to utilize when trying to siphon out truth regarding his appearnace:

However, there are some indications of Paul’s appearance. For example, Zion’s Watch Tower of March 1, 1902, mentioned one, saying: “As to Paul’s personal appearance: . . . In the ‘Acts of Paul and Thecla,’ . . . written about A. D. 150, there is a description of Paul which is probably the best, and a true tradition. In this he is described as ‘small in size, bald-headed, bandy-legged, well built, with eyebrows meeting; rather long nosed.’”

The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church (1997 edition) says about that ancient writing: “It is not impossible that the ‘Acts’ contain some elements of historical truth.” The Acts of Paul and Thecla was highly regarded in early centuries, as confirmed by the fact that 80 Greek manuscripts of it exist, as well as versions in other languages. Thus, our artistic presentations are in line with some ancient indications of what the apostle looked like.

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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

silentbuddha

While I do not believe the bit about pulling people into secret rooms in the tunnel (everyone has access to the tunnel and although there are rooms in it and access doors they are not secret), I am sure some attempts at channeling and such foolishness were probably tried by people there.

I saw some of the strangest things in my brief time there that were just as strange I would say. Back in the time I was there I remember some of the other black brothers that were there were heavy into bowties and the use of elegant words. Bowties not only worn by the black brothers but there was a small group that wore them and spoke VERY VERY eloquently. Most from Chicago and surrounding and NY. They were very standoffish too.

I hung out with one of them playing basketball and a few months later invited me to a post-family study watchtower study. I went and while I was there they had all of these extra books (not WT literature) and they were cross-referencing with this and that. Way more than I was ready for. And they were all calling each other "god". I was like WTF.

Some of them ended up being kicked-out. They were combining 5% and Watchtower teachings and NOI stuff. I will admit it was the first time I actually learned that the NOI and the founder William Fard Muhammad used Charles Taze Russell teachings as the bases for early NOI doctrine. WTF

There was talk of brothers using wigi boards. In the library in the 25-30 building there were Qurans and various other spiritual books and I saw a Book of the Dead in there as well... weird shit

Bethel had the looniest, craziest groups of witnesses you ever did meet. Many of the older brothers there were blatant racists, some actually spoke about their own ideas of how teachings could be refined etc...

THe place was full of people who were seeking something, and willing to try anything

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Slowly killing them…

by silentbuddha in

so yesterday a family friend who was never age overs witness give me a phone call.

he says that he is quite upset with me and wants to give me a chance to explain why i'm treating my father so portly.

mind you i have not seen my father or mother in about 3 years and they refused to talk to me except for the occaisional crazy letter that my mother will send.. anyway my the family friend stated that he spoke to my mother and brother and they both told him that because i choose to leave the religion and in turn separate myself from the family it has caused my 80 something year old father a tremendous amount of stress and she is becoming sick and they're not sure how much longer he will be with us.. shoot felipe nothing they say really bothers me much anymore but the fact that i'm being accused of slowly killing my father because i've decided to make a decision that's better from my own family is actually quite frustrating to me.. give you hours after having of the conversation with our family friend i get a call from my older brother who then begins to be raped me and tells me that i should accept responsibility for the fact that i am the cause of our ejean father's poor health and that leaving jehovah causes problems not only for me but for those who love me.

silentbuddha

I was speaking into my phone To type the message and it totally screwed it up. I meant to say a family friend that was never a Jehovah's witness

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Slowly killing them…

by silentbuddha in

so yesterday a family friend who was never age overs witness give me a phone call.

he says that he is quite upset with me and wants to give me a chance to explain why i'm treating my father so portly.

mind you i have not seen my father or mother in about 3 years and they refused to talk to me except for the occaisional crazy letter that my mother will send.. anyway my the family friend stated that he spoke to my mother and brother and they both told him that because i choose to leave the religion and in turn separate myself from the family it has caused my 80 something year old father a tremendous amount of stress and she is becoming sick and they're not sure how much longer he will be with us.. shoot felipe nothing they say really bothers me much anymore but the fact that i'm being accused of slowly killing my father because i've decided to make a decision that's better from my own family is actually quite frustrating to me.. give you hours after having of the conversation with our family friend i get a call from my older brother who then begins to be raped me and tells me that i should accept responsibility for the fact that i am the cause of our ejean father's poor health and that leaving jehovah causes problems not only for me but for those who love me.

silentbuddha

So yesterday a family friend who was never age overs witness give me a phone call. He says that he is quite upset with me and wants to give me a chance to explain why I'm treating my father so portly. Mind you I have not seen my father or mother in about 3 years and they refused to talk to me except for the occaisional crazy letter that my mother will send.

Anyway my The family friend stated that he spoke to my mother and brother and they both told him that because I choose to leave the religion and in turn separate myself from the family it has caused my 80 something year old father a tremendous amount of stress and she is becoming sick and they're not sure how much longer he will be with us.

Shoot Felipe nothing they say really bothers me much anymore but the fact that I'm being accused of slowly killing my father because I've decided to make a decision that's better from my own family is actually quite frustrating to me.

Give you hours after having of the conversation with our family friend I get a call from my older brother who then begins to be raped me and tells me that I should accept responsibility for the fact that I am the cause of our ejean father's poor health and that leaving Jehovah causes problems not only for me but for those who love me.

This is the only time since I have decided to leave that c***** organization that I've actually wanted to put hands on somebody is much as I have at any other point in my life

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Secret sex in the Org

by pomo6780 in

2 pioneers of the opposite sex.

the brother is in his mid-20s, sister is in her late 20s.

both are alone in car as the only 2 out in field service.

silentbuddha

Circa 2001 young pioneers ages 17 to 24 AND some younger tag along in their mid teens get together to have a party. It is an urban city in NJ that has 3 congregatio nd. The North south and west.

It the s into an all out orgy in which one of th r pioneer brothers was involved with another of the brothers there. Yes some gay action went down. 2 meetings later 24 names are read out and 8 people are removed from pioneer list.

Only 2 people disfellowshipped. .... you guessed it, the two brothers

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Which Things Did Your Overzealous Parents Ban?

by pale.emperor in

we all know the gb like to impose rules upon the rules... but did anyone else out there have parents that implemented rules upon those rules?

mine did.

my mum tended to copy whatever the elders wives were doing and took it to the extreme.

silentbuddha

I could not hav e a Sega Genesis because it was a video game system that had a book of the bible in its name. She said it was an attempt to make a m mockery of God's word.

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Best Bethel stories

by optimisticskeptic in

i temped at bethel 3 times for varying lengths of time and found working there to not always be the rosy picture some would paint.

not a surprise really, but i think one of the things that surprised me the most was how a lot of the permanent bethelites (especially older ones) were so impersonal to temps.

they acted like you weren't worth investing their time in since you weren't permanent.

silentbuddha

My favorite story is from when I worked in the recycling department and they found books from a gb member who died personal library . They sent them down to the recycling area I worked in. They sent 4 brothers down to WATCH me shred them to ensure none of the books got out ROFL.

Anyway they were in huge boxes and I dropped a book on the floor. They made me stop... get up from the industrial shredder and proceed to explain to me that if I purposely did that in an attempt to keep the boom they would immediately send me home. I hated Carlos West.

Then there are all the stories of the JC assembly hall overseer letting worldly people use the assembly hall for personal / worldly escaped.

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1975... the year that keeps on giving.

by silentbuddha in

so i recently moved back to my really really really small hometown in the south.

it was the place that my parents moved to from a major city up north in the early 1970's.

when we lived here times were very tough financially and i was always told that the reason we did not attend meetings was due to the fact that we had no car / no gas for the car / could not afford repairs for the years we were there.

silentbuddha

I must admit it was entertaining to hear all of this and learn "the truth" about our situation now that I am 40. My parents are still alive but they literally refuse to speak to me, they hate my wife, ignore my children and I am actually kinda of happy about it because they are so deep in the JW world that they are literally crazy.

I love them, I just cant be near them