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11-19 3:30 pm 7 lbs 13 oz, 21 in.. i don't how how to add the photos, but if you want to see pictures, go to http://www.webphotos.com/list_albums.asp?mi=1&smi=1.

i think this is right (mommy help me!

lisa

reagan_oconnor

LDH... taking a break from lurking to wish you congratulations on the birth of your bubs.

<mmmwaaah!>
Reagan

I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul.

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So Whats Your Choice Of News Info?

by Englishman in

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seeing all these different people on this board, together with varying personalities, thoughts and opinions, makes me wonder about our reading and viewing material.. take the daily news.

if you watch tv, which news programme do you spend most time viewing and why?

the same question as to which daily newspaper you read, plus, does your newspaper have a political bias that attracts you?

reagan_oconnor

"The O'Reilly Factor" on FOX News is my favorite news program

And, no, not because he's Irish... he strives to be "fair and balanced."

I usually turn off CNN and CNBC in favor of FOX News b/c I feel that CNN and CNBC tend to have a liberal slant on some issues.

Reagan

I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul.

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In Loving Memory

by Mulan in

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i made a page on one of my websites about my cousin, who passed away nearly two weeks ago.

it is a work in progress, but i thought some of you might like to see it.. .

http://home.earthlink.net/~herblst/sharon.htm.

reagan_oconnor

(((Marilyn)))

So sorry for the loss of your cousin. Your tribute to her is very nice.

Regards,
Reagan

I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul.

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to Utopian Reformist re: the Black Panther Party

by reagan_oconnor in

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<i posted this on the "two down and counting" thread, but figured it would be seen here.. for those of you who did not see the thread, utopian reformist said:.

earlier reagan o'connor stated that internal and external terrorist groups should be examined equally and treated in the same manner.. while i agree with the statement, i disagree with the sampling of internal terrorist she included in her statement.. the kkk and aryan nation can and should be considered terrorists.

burning crosses, public lynchings and hate mobs should be obvious to all.

reagan_oconnor

I have told myself time and time again that I would not stoop to the level that I have in this discussion. I knew that the statment that the BPP could be considered a terrorist group (just as was the KKK, equally racist, but on the other end of the spectrum) would get the overly-sensitive in a turmoil. I should have known better. [8>]

This is obviously a pointless discussion as you have CHOSEN to take my comments personally, as if they were an 'affront' to you. It never ceases to amaze me how the point of the matter can become twisted and perverted by those who wish to pick apart the opinions of others.

I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul.

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to Utopian Reformist re: the Black Panther Party

by reagan_oconnor in

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<i posted this on the "two down and counting" thread, but figured it would be seen here.. for those of you who did not see the thread, utopian reformist said:.

earlier reagan o'connor stated that internal and external terrorist groups should be examined equally and treated in the same manner.. while i agree with the statement, i disagree with the sampling of internal terrorist she included in her statement.. the kkk and aryan nation can and should be considered terrorists.

burning crosses, public lynchings and hate mobs should be obvious to all.

reagan_oconnor

I suppose that you completely ignored the first quote from the Gibbs Community Foundation, Mifflin W. Gibbs. http://www.gibbsmagazine.com.

The editorial policy of the magazine is

a magazine focused on and directed to the African American and ethnic minority communities, it does not promote, subscribe to, or accept racism or racial intolerance as a policy or a behavior.

.

I suppose that you are of the opinion that this was a "racist" reference.

Let's narrow it down, shall we?

FACT: The BPP assassinated white police officers.
FACT: The BPP was community-conscious, concerned about protecting the rights of their own people.

Does their concern and efforts towards community consciousness make it right that they murdered men who were doing their duty by upholding the laws of the United States? Absolutely not. No more than the KKK and their ilk were right in lynching victims simply because of the color of their skin, nor the suicide bombers of last Tuesday, fundamentalist morons taking the lives of thousands for their warped and twisted belief system.

You have again missed the point of the entire discussion; violence to achieve your ends equates terrorism. KKK, BPP, Osama bin Laden, the message doesn't matter. It's still terrorism.

I do not expect you to be either "impressed or swayed." Frankly, I do not care.

Try examining the BPP from the inside

So you are/were a member of the BPP? How nice of you to grace us with your insight.

(Let's see if making an assertion about the irish connotations concerning labor unions and corruption can anger Ms. O'Connor - wonder how she feels about taking liberties with people's history)

As to my level of education, I don't see what relevance this has to do with the discussion.

I would never attempt to "explain away" or "deny" the existence of abuses of power that were a part of the labor unions in the early 20th century. I am also acutely aware of the prejudices levelled against my great-grandparents for being Irish. Seeing the "No Irish Need Apply" signs in the windows of businesses. My great-grandmother knew that the only job she or her daughters would ever be considered for was as a wash woman.

I am, first and foremost, an American. I happen to be an American of German and Irish heritage. I know the mistakes my forefathers made. I choose not to deny them, or sugar-coat the truth.

Reagan

I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul.

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to Utopian Reformist re: the Black Panther Party

by reagan_oconnor in

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<i posted this on the "two down and counting" thread, but figured it would be seen here.. for those of you who did not see the thread, utopian reformist said:.

earlier reagan o'connor stated that internal and external terrorist groups should be examined equally and treated in the same manner.. while i agree with the statement, i disagree with the sampling of internal terrorist she included in her statement.. the kkk and aryan nation can and should be considered terrorists.

burning crosses, public lynchings and hate mobs should be obvious to all.

reagan_oconnor

<I posted this on the "TWO down and counting" thread, but figured it would be seen here.

For those of you who did not see the thread, Utopian Reformist said:

Earlier Reagan O'Connor stated that internal and external terrorist groups should be examined equally and treated in the same manner.
While I agree with the statement, I disagree with the sampling of internal terrorist she included in her statement.
The KKK and Aryan Nation can and should be considered terrorists. Burning crosses, public lynchings and hate mobs should be obvious to all. But you mentioned "Black Panthers". How much research (if any) have you invested in this group?
Do you know anything about them? Or do they simply appear militant because of their name and because they were black and outspoken critics of our society and government in the 60's?
Check your research.

The Black Panthers espoused the concept that Black people had a right to defend themselves against racist authorities by any necessary means, including violence. Gibbs Community Foundation, http://www.gibbsmagazine.com

In the '60s, …they [the Panthers] also advocated the use of armed resistance to fuel a revolution against what they saw as white oppression and capitalism. Monterey County Herald, April 22, 2000

The Black Panthers were formed in California in 1966. They believed that the non-violent campaign of Martin Luther King had failed and any promised changes to their lifestyle would take too long to be implemented or simply not introduced. Their language was violent as was their public stance…In 1966, a survey carried out in America showed that less than 5% of African-Americans approved of groups such as the BPP. 60% were positively hostile to such groups. www.byteachers.org.uk

Some organizations adhered to strictly peaceful protests while others, such as the Panthers … favored peaceful means of achieving equality unless violence was necessary for defense. The lists of courageous men and women who struggled for equality can be quite long. However, it is obvious that the picture of the Panthers lack the presence of women. This failure to acknowledge women in the Panther picture represents the Civil Rights Movement as a whole. With a few exceptions, African American women generally do not receive the credit they deserve for their impact in the 1960’s Civil Rights Movement. Representation of Women in the 1960’s Civil Rights Movement by John Winters, Jr.

"The BPP did not fully appreciate the necessity for cultural transformation in the movement. Instead, they promoted a "revolutionary culture" that was amorphous and self-serving. It was rooted in a Machiavellian rationalization of Malcolm's "by any means necessary" dicta whereby members simply legitimized their lumpen activities by asserting that these were somehow "revolutionary." This approach was used especially to sexually exploit women, to character assassinate rivals, to rationalize the misuse of BPP funds by the national leadership, to justify internecine violence, or to excoriate rival organizations (such as with the NOI, SNCC, RNA [Republic of New Afrika], and Us organization) within the Black Power movement. This glorified lumpenism was so expansive that Hilliard (1993, pp. 339-339) reports that Huey even came to require that BPP members watch The Godfather, as he began to argue for a "progressive capitalism" (Newton, 1971). Allegedly, the Panther nightclub, The Lamp Post, even became, among other things, a front for prostitution and funding source for Huey's and the Central Committee's personal indulgences." The Shadow of the Panther: Huey Newton and the Price of Black Power in America by Hugh Pearson

The general assessment is that the BPP used violence to achieve their ends. Granted, in the 70s they focused their efforts in a more positive, community-oriented direction, but the fact remains that they still used violence to reach their goals. This is the point I was making.

I respect that you may or may not agree with labeling the BPP as a terrorist group – you have that right. However, I would suggest that you do your own research and refrain from making uneducated statements regarding what I do and do not know.

Regards,
Reagan

I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul.

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TWO down and counting

by crossroads in

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this weekend in texas a man from over their was killed.

only reason the way he looked.

in mesa az.

reagan_oconnor

UR

The Black Panthers espoused the concept that Black people had a right to defend themselves against racist authorities by any necessary means, including violence. Gibbs Community Foundation, http://www.gibbsmagazine.com

In the '60s, …they [the Panthers] also advocated the use of armed resistance to fuel a revolution against what they saw as white oppression and capitalism. Monterey County Herald, April 22, 2000

The Black Panthers were formed in California in 1966. They believed that the non-violent campaign of Martin Luther King had failed and any promised changes to their lifestyle would take too long to be implemented or simply not introduced. Their language was violent as was their public stance…In 1966, a survey carried out in America showed that less than 5% of African-Americans approved of groups such as the BPP. 60% were positively hostile to such groups. www.byteachers.org.uk

Some organizations adhered to strictly peaceful protests while others, such as the Panthers … favored peaceful means of achieving equality unless violence was necessary for defense. The lists of courageous men and women who struggled for equality can be quite long. However, it is obvious that the picture of the Panthers lack the presence of women. This failure to acknowledge women in the Panther picture represents the Civil Rights Movement as a whole. With a few exceptions, African American women generally do not receive the credit they deserve for their impact in the 1960’s Civil Rights Movement. Representation of Women in the 1960’s Civil Rights Movement by John Winters, Jr.

"The BPP did not fully appreciate the necessity for cultural transformation in the movement. Instead, they promoted a "revolutionary culture" that was amorphous and self-serving. It was rooted in a Machiavellian rationalization of Malcolm's "by any means necessary" dicta whereby members simply legitimized their lumpen activities by asserting that these were somehow "revolutionary." This approach was used especially to sexually exploit women, to character assassinate rivals, to rationalize the misuse of BPP funds by the national leadership, to justify internecine violence, or to excoriate rival organizations (such as with the NOI, SNCC, RNA [Republic of New Afrika], and Us organization) within the Black Power movement. This glorified lumpenism was so expansive that Hilliard (1993, pp. 339-339) reports that Huey even came to require that BPP members watch The Godfather, as he began to argue for a "progressive capitalism" (Newton, 1971). Allegedly, the Panther nightclub, The Lamp Post, even became, among other things, a front for prostitution and funding source for Huey's and the Central Committee's personal indulgences." The Shadow of the Panther: Huey Newton and the Price of Black Power in America by Hugh Pearson

The general assessment is that the BPP used violence to achieve their ends. Granted, in the 70s they focused their efforts in a more positive, community-oriented direction, but the fact remains that they still used violence to reach their goals. This is the point I was making.

I respect that you may or may not agree with labeling the BPP as a terrorist group – you have that right. However, I would suggest that you do your own research and refrain from making uneducated statements regarding what I do and do not know.

Regards,
Reagan

I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul.

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