Posts by Realist

brenda,

a problem arises if the positions are not given to the people with the highest qualification but based on ethnicity or sex. this is especially problematic if the power is abused (the situation with the US support for israel could be viewed as such).

in Africa there are finally more blacks in political power than white.

this is a very good example. it was a very problematic situation that white people controlled all power despite the large number of blacks in the population. similarly it is problematic that so much power is in the hands of a small minority in the US. in an ideal world the power should be distributed according to the size of the ethnic groups.

Next to all Chinese dialects combined, Spanish is the 2nd most spoken language in the world. It is the 2nd most spoken language in the US. There are more and more latinos in government and financial power all the time. It this a conspiracy on Mexico's part?

you twisted the issue around. the problem is that there are not enough latinos and blacks in the gov. they are greatly underrepresented in the gov. while other gourps are overrepresented. this is the problem.

when a minority with perhaps 5% of the total population contributes 50% of the leading figures in a gov. than something is going on behind the scenes. the probability that this happens by coincidence is too remote. therefore the most likely explaination is strong support between members of the jewish community. if someone can come up with a reasonable alternative explaination for this distribution please let me know.

brenda,

religous jews segregate themselfs from the others. this works very well otherwise they would not have kept their identity for 2000 years.

abbadon,

ok found a little more time for this.

• • the Holocaust's death toll (as you previously have claimed) has been exaggerated,
  • there was never any explicit plan (as you have claimed) to wipe-out the Jews until very late in the war when they did it because the war was going bad and it was the Jews fault there was a war (as you have previously claimed),
  • you use websites that quote forged anti-Zionist propaganda to support your arguments,
  • and the only website I have thus far found that supports your claim Albright did know her family history says that Slobodan is a vewy misunderstood man.

  the death toll is based purely on estimates. we were able to establish this in the previous discussion. given the fact that a lot of financial interest as well as political interests are connected to the death toll number it seems indeed very likely that it is considerably exaggerated.

also as we discussed previously the wannsee conference protocols (the only documents showing a systematic plan) are not originals and the nazis indeed viewed the jews as responsible for the war.

the quality of websites is always debateable...however i agree radio islam is not necessarily a reliable source.

so it was destiny that albright ended up in a gov. consisting of 50% jewish members...hokus pokus it turns out she is one as well? quite a coincidence but ok.

z,

bigot = fanatic?

i am not fanatic...i am merely stating the obvious.

avi,

most intellectual jews like most intellectual christians are only members of the religion on paper....i know this from personal experience. perhaps you can show me the religious activity of e.g. albright, berger, rubin, tenet,...

i am always open to new expainations.

abbadon,

i don't feel superior in any way when discussing the holocaust...but i do enjoy a real debate over a lame one.

You are arrogant to assume that other posters are so ill-informed as to not be aware of these events at least in outline.

where do you get that idea from? i would assume most posters on this thread have heard about these things and have not stated anything to the contrary. the differnce being that you hear about these attrocities once a year...you hear about the holocaust once a day.

Secondly I don't think you are able to prove that people would not have cared about the Holocaust if it had been directed at Arabs, Russians, Poles and Gypsies

ok how much time is devoted to commemorate the poles, russians, gypsies, handicapped vs the jewish victims? how much time is devoted to remember the attrocities committed against the arabs in palestine or the victims of the iraq embargo? how much time to the victims of the carpet bombings in vietnam, germany, japan? the victims in rawanda? ect. ect. no comparison imo. had it not been for the jewish victims the holocaus would not be more discussed than the mass murder committed by stalin (perhaps a little more since germany lost the war but i hope you get my point).

me being against intolerance and hatred doesn't make me close my eyes to reality. the jews were the victims of the hlocaust but that doesn't make their actions any more innocent or guiltfree than that of any other population. what is going on in israel is a crime and is is committed with influence of the jewish people in the US gov.

Could you please provide some figures to back up your claim of unproportionality in European politics?

in germany the jewish lobby is immensly strong. within the EU germany has thus vetoed against any anti israeli actions such as trade sanctions. same but to a lesser extent is true for austria. if i have time during the week i will search for the number of jewish members of parliament in germany...its about a fifth or 6th of the members.

In fact I cannot think of one claim ever made that the Holocaust could not have happened in another situation and nation if the circumstances were the same.

oh please...you seem to miss some important parts of holocaus literature then!

Do you realise you have not made ONE valid point yet?

that is in contrast to you?

Why is the current political debate relevant in discussing whether or not people need to know about the Holocaust?

becasue the holocaust is used as a tool by israel and jewish lobbies to justify their actions and to get reparation payments.

While this does not mean that Stalin procured these former comrades' deaths because of anti-Semitism?he had far more concrete and "rational" reasons for wanting them dead

exactly. many political leaders in russia were jews. thus a large number of jews were among the victims.

1. What profits has the Indusry you refferd to made Realist, if it is an Industry?

there is quite a number of people making a living out of the holocaust. moviemakers, story tellers, reporters,...

1. How much have individual Jews profited by it, on average?

the individual jews have not profited much...the survivors got compensated as far as this is possible. important is the support for israel and jewish organisations that is based on the holocaust.

1. And why are you not so vocal in condemning those who run the Holocaust denial Industry?

you mean the ones that get imprisoned or lose their job because of publishing their views?

And the gays. And the Arabs. And the Germans. Listen to yourself man.

if the it isn't so than explain the strength of the jewish lobby within lets say the US gov. I asked avi the same question...

i am very open to a better explaination of their representation among important positions.

i will continue the discussion perhaps on thursday...have a good one.

jwbot,

by religious association of either the person itself or the parents. how do you think the nazis detrmined who a jew was? simply by looking at the ancestry.

avi,

i know albright told that fairytale...believe it if you wish.

most of the politically active jewish people are not religiously very active. doesn't change their will to support each other.

their success doesn't require a conspiracy ... it is the result of hard work and cooperation between them. headquaters are unnecessary. JWs help primarily JWs and similar jews support preferentially jews when it comes to putting people in important positions.

but perhaps you can come up with an alternative explaination to the distribution of clinton's administration...i am open to suggestions.