Posts by Reborn2002

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Witnesses Just Tried to Have Me Arrested!!!!

by Reborn2002 in

jw
friends

well, i just got home and im piping madd.. im laughing about it as well though because i outsmarted them at their own game and got a rant off my chest.. heres what happened.

an acquaintance i used to go to the hall with.. who is also 3 years younger than me asked me for money about 6 months ago.. at the time, i loaned him $50 to get the tires on his car fixed.

in that time period, not only did he move out of his parents house to an undisclosed location because he decided to stop going to the kh.. but i also da myself in that time frame.. due to the fact he moved out, i havent been able to reach him.. i tried calling his parents home to discover his current location or at least to tell them if he contacts them, to be sure to have him reach me because he owes me money.. no response.

Reborn2002

Ok, obviously you DONT READ VERY WELL.

Filing a claim in small claims court when Ive no idea where the person in question even IS?

Elders called me? The elders never called me man. I went to the guys house who lives 5 minutes from me, so what the hell are you talking about?

Collect a debt on Kingdom Hall property? Where are you getting these statements? I went to his HOUSE. Can you read? Or are you making things up as you go along here?

Comes to a point to let it go? I called the home 2x.. no response. I stopped by the house 1 time and a note was disregarded. I stopped by a second time and then that took place. As I said before, they (JW) come by unannounced and leave tracts or other information. I broke no law in leaving a note asking their son to contact me.

What part of my very concise explanation as to events that occurred do you not understand?

Collect a debt during a religious service? Again.. I NEVER WENT TO THE KH LOOKING FOR HIM. I called their home, and left a note in their door. Do you comprehend what Im saying yet?

The true Kingdom of God is located in your heart, not an organization of hypocrites.

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Apostate Tours!!!

by Beans in

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friends

im thinking of a new business venture "the apostate tour company".

we could visit very symbolic places of interest for the so called "apostates"starting off at the bar we would have a few pints and whisky to consult the spirits with a ceremonial toast.after we get a little wired we would get on the apostate bus and head over to see the grave site of pastor russell and on the way partake in a ceremonial weedfest.upon arriving we would all have our pictures taken beside the cross on the pyramid of this great leader.our next venture would be the headquarters in ny to see where all the little stories are made up and check out all the hot sisters and brothers.we could end our tour at the hotel having a wild party and participate in worldly drinking games while engaging in gross sexual misconduct1.

beans

Reborn2002

I think Id rather pour some booze on his tombstone to honor his addiction. Then piss on his nameplate.

The true Kingdom of God is located in your heart, not an organization of hypocrites.

www.geocities.com/latinloverchicago/Jason1.html for my new webpage and info!! Im trying to live now!!

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APOSTATE NOT SHUNNED - HUH?

by Trotafox in

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friends

well, i certainly am confused!

my jw neighbor just waved "hi" to me from her driveway so i went ahead and bit.

i hollered "my washer just broke down" (i was carrying a load to my other neighbors washer).

Reborn2002

I say this is a matter of contextual ethics.

Very politely and subtly discern her "true" intentions.

I figure at the very least be an example to the JW. Make her feel bad by demonstrating you are happier now that you are out and you are very loving and concerned for the welfare of others despite religious beliefs, which if she has any type of conscience at all would make her feel like sh1t.

To supplement that, if you discover she is simply trying to get in time and reel you back in.. if given the chance show her the endless list of flaws and lies bombarded upon the R&F by the WTS in their own literature. If she is unwilling to hear you out, read her John 8:44.. and turn the tables on them by shunning her. Two can play that game.

The true Kingdom of God is located in your heart, not an organization of hypocrites.

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A story of brotherly love.....

by Tatiana in

since i've been here, from around july, 2001, i haven't really shared any personal experiences of why i left the society, except for the story about my sister who committed suicide.

this is kind of long, so i will tell it in parts.

if this is god's organization, i will gladly be a devil worshiper.. here goes....... when i was about 27 years old, (around 1984) after my divorce, i'd moved from laurens, south carolina back to andrews, sc, and rented the house beside my grandmother.

Reborn2002

In every individual's life, there are moments when no words are appropriate to express the emotion one feels intrinsically due to pain, or wishes to convey to another in a giving of sympathy.

Reading your experience, others here hug you by typing parentheses on a computer, and rightfully so, for on the Internet there is really no other way to transcend distance to show love or warmth.

I myself do not have the words or keystrokes to give you the sadness and compassion I genuinely feel in my heart for you.

I got about halfway through this post, and I started to cry. Your experience reminds me so much of my own. Similar, yet different.

My grandfather was an elder for 45 years. When he died in 1999, they would not hold the repass at our home. His daughter's/my mother's home, because my dad/his daughter's husband was DA. Instead they all agreed, my mother and brother included, that it be held at my brother's house, because he was a baptized witness and still faithful to the organization.

This pained my father very deeply. He loved my grandfather very much, and in the name of religion they acted so cruelly. Anyway, surely, they made token remarks and brought food for a showy display of affection. For 2 years after that I stopped going to meetings and wallowed in a deep depression I wouldnt wish on my worst enemy, and all the "brothers and sisters" who allegedly had so much concern and christian brotherly agape love for me.. never visited me or called me or asked me to go out with them ONCE.

Only when I attempted to return to a meeting did they even show the slightest interest, and even then it was a condescending "where have you been? what would your grandfather think?" series of questioning.

And one wonders why this religion drives some to madness, and others to suicide.

Stay strong Tatiana. You are free from those clutches. Ive stated in a few others posts in the last day or two other nerve-wracking experiences I have suffered in only 21 years of life. No one, and I repeat NO ONE... deserves this.

The true Kingdom of God is located in your heart, not an organization of hypocrites.

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Shaving....Legs

by mindfield in

well, since we already have the "taboo" thread of shaving/trimming... down there, why not have the shaved legs thread?.

i ask this, because i'm not sure if i should shave mine or not.

i have naturally hairy legs/lower body, and it would take regular shaving to make the itching stop!

Reborn2002

I am a personal trainer, and I also enter bodybuilding competitions from time to time. Genetically inheriting excessive hair growth from my Italian father and Puertorican mother, I indeed shave.

I wax and shave everything below the neck. If I did not do so I would be able to braid my forearms LOL.

In all actuality, I find it somewhat liberating and enjoyable. When your body hair is shaved, beleive it or not after a shower you feel exceptionally clean. As most men probably know, when playing a sport if you have long pubic hair it would get "stuck" in your shorts and yank... no longer a problem if you cut it. More aerodynamic... and if your in shape.. it accentuates your physique as well.

Im all for it. Besides, do what makes you happy. Anyone else can kiss off man.

The true Kingdom of God is located in your heart, not an organization of hypocrites.

www.geocities.com/latinloverchicago/Jason1.html for my new webpage and info!! Im trying to live now!!

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Witnesses Just Tried to Have Me Arrested!!!!

by Reborn2002 in

jw
friends

well, i just got home and im piping madd.. im laughing about it as well though because i outsmarted them at their own game and got a rant off my chest.. heres what happened.

an acquaintance i used to go to the hall with.. who is also 3 years younger than me asked me for money about 6 months ago.. at the time, i loaned him $50 to get the tires on his car fixed.

in that time period, not only did he move out of his parents house to an undisclosed location because he decided to stop going to the kh.. but i also da myself in that time frame.. due to the fact he moved out, i havent been able to reach him.. i tried calling his parents home to discover his current location or at least to tell them if he contacts them, to be sure to have him reach me because he owes me money.. no response.

Reborn2002

I cant believe I come back to check this thread the next day and what happens?

What I shouldve expected.

I get assholes here who want to start criticizing ME and even questioning my sincerity for giving someone money from the heart and trying to collect a debt that was owed and I get the police called on me.

Now, I did try to call, more than once. I didnt mail a letter at any point.. they live about 5 minutes from my house so I stopped there. Hell JW and Elders stop unexpectedly at your door to subtly condescend you if your inactive. Yet you have the nerve to say IM wrong for stopping by to politely leave a note saying I need to get in touch with your son he owes me money? Spare me.

Is the crap worth 50 bucks? No.

Was I simply trying to collect money that was owed me? Yes.

Do I give a flying fuck if you believe me or not? No cuz the shit happened yesterday.

Do I have any respect for those who have the nerve to start criticizing me when it was obvious I was wronged? No.

Now.. regarding forgiving debts as we forgive our debtors.. indeed.
Im kissing off the money, and Im going to be the bigger person to not bother contacting these hypocrites ever again. It just amazes me that they toss the fact Im DA and so evil and not to be associated with, when it is them who take money borrowed, dont pay it back, call the police on you and act moronic.

Combining that experience with the crap my brother does with R-rated movies just about cements the fact JW live double-lives and only act in their best interest.

The true Kingdom of God is located in your heart, not an organization of hypocrites.

www.geocities.com/latinloverchicago/Jason1.html for my new webpage and info!! Im trying to live now!!

55

Witnesses Just Tried to Have Me Arrested!!!!

by Reborn2002 in

jw
friends

well, i just got home and im piping madd.. im laughing about it as well though because i outsmarted them at their own game and got a rant off my chest.. heres what happened.

an acquaintance i used to go to the hall with.. who is also 3 years younger than me asked me for money about 6 months ago.. at the time, i loaned him $50 to get the tires on his car fixed.

in that time period, not only did he move out of his parents house to an undisclosed location because he decided to stop going to the kh.. but i also da myself in that time frame.. due to the fact he moved out, i havent been able to reach him.. i tried calling his parents home to discover his current location or at least to tell them if he contacts them, to be sure to have him reach me because he owes me money.. no response.

Reborn2002

Well, I just got home and Im piping madd.

Im laughing about it as well though because I outsmarted them at their own game and got a rant off my chest.

Heres what happened.

An acquaintance I used to go to the Hall with.. who is also 3 years younger than me asked me for money about 6 months ago.

At the time, I loaned him $50 to get the tires on his car fixed.

In that time period, not only did he move out of his parents house to an undisclosed location because he decided to stop going to the KH.. but I also DA myself in that time frame.

Due to the fact he moved out, I havent been able to reach him.

I tried calling his parents home to discover his current location or at least to tell them if he contacts them, to be sure to have him reach me because he owes me money.

No response.

After that, I stopped by their house about a month ago and left a very polite note on their front door to let them know I was trying to reach them in case the answering machine was conveniently on the fritz.

Again.. no response.

Well, about an hour ago, I drove over ther again thinking hey.. this guy owes me $50, and Im damn sure gonna get it.

I park in their driveway, and before I even get halfway through the note to let them know I was not trying to disturb them, I just sincerely wanted money to be repaid. Is it not conduct befitting a Christian to repay incurred debts?

FIVE HAZEL CREST ILLINOIS POLICE CARS PULL UP IN THE STREET BEHIND ME AND BLOCK THE DRIVEWAY SO I CANT PULL OUT.

Lights flashing and everything.

Perplexed, I stay in the car.

Cop comes up to the door and says that their alarm had gone off, and what was my business there.

I laughed, I hadnt even gotten halfway through writing the note.

I explained my presence there, and that I hadnt even gotten out of the car yet the alarm went off? Looked like he didnt believe me but after he checked the place out and rad the note I was halfway through writing he realized nothing had been touched and I was telling the truth.

He told me some spiel about if I wanted money repaid to go through the Information Act and my concern was with the 18 yr old not the parents. With a Degree in Business and having taken several Law classes I was not going down without a verbal lashing.

I calmly explained that the only way I knew to reach him was through the parents, surely if my friend was in the area or would in time bcontact his parents just to have them know I was trying to reach him? Is that not logical? I explained Jehovahs Witnesses go door to door and leave tracts in peoples doors.. am I not justified to leave a note saying your son owes me money.. if you see him have him reach me?

He couldnt help but agree, cuz he damn sure knew I was right.

Anyway.. after the cops got done harassing me and realized Id committed no crime, I hurriedly drove home.

The reason I was going to leave a note was because they hadnt returned calls, but being observant I happened to notice while the cop was questioning me that one of their blinds had opened ever so slightly. So I made sure to call as soon as I got home, which I did.

Sure enough, the young daughter answered, I told her to put her mother on the phone.

I couldnt get one word out before she told me I was DA and shed have nothing to do with me. I yelled back YOU WILL LISTEN TO ME, YOUR SON OWES ME MONEY, IS IT NOT CHRISTIAN TO REPAY DEBTS? Then she blabbered about if your trying to reach my son, he doesnt live here, so find the best way to reach him. To which I retorted I WOULD THINK THE BEST WAY TO REACH HIM WOULD BE THE PARENT WHICH IS WHY IM CALLING IN THE FIRST PLACE. Then she said well hes not here. I said BY THE WAY, BEING CHILDISH ENOUGH TO CALL THE COPS AND HAVE THEM CHECK ME OUT WHEN YOU KNOW YOUR ASS WAS HOME.. THATS CHRISTIAN LOVE. and hung up

I cant believe the nerve! They only show conduct befitting a Christian if its in their best interest. Fucking hypocrites.

The true Kingdom of God is located in your heart, not an organization of hypocrites.

www.geocities.com/latinloverchicago/Jason1.html for my new webpage and info!! Im trying to live now!!

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JW's just here LOL!

by mommy in

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friends

well what a suprise and welcome to the neighborhood.

a young man(alone) just knocked at my door wanting to share a scripture with me on the conditions of the world today.

the kids were working on their math so i had a few minutes to play, so i bit.

Reborn2002

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

With mind-control.. denial is a powerful emotional response.

On average.. how many of the R&F know of the UN affiliation? My guess would be virtually none.

Ironic her immediate rebuttal would be do not beleive everything you see on the Internet. Yet I would be more than willing to wager a month's pay she would believe unequivocally if it was ranting posted on the WTBTS official site.

Just goes to show they are programmed to believe WTS does no wrong, everyone else is a liar.

Just my 2c

The true Kingdom of God is located in your heart, not an organization of hypocrites.

www.geocities.com/latinloverchicago/Jason1.html for my new webpage and info!! Im trying to live now!!

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Special Dub Words That Make You Go YUK!

by Englishman in

jw
friends

for me, the word was "loving".. great "loving" kindness.. great undeserved "loving" kindness!.

disfellowshipping is a "loving" provision.. when the wtbts want their accolytes to swallow another bitter pill, another restriction, another rebuke, another demand on time, the buzz word is "loving".. the "loving" word, is, to the average jw, the same as the mccabe nod is to the salesman.

the mccabe nod is used by salesman all the time to get the prospective customer to agree to something that he doesn't care for too much.

Reborn2002

OMG

"Critical times hard to deal with"

I had that phrase tossed in my face so much!

Thanks for bringing back all the reasons I left the Borg!

The true Kingdom of God is located in your heart, not an organization of hypocrites.

www.geocities.com/latinloverchicago/Jason1.html for my new webpage and info!! Im trying to live now!!

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Mmm...college

by mikepence in

jw
friends

thanks to the supportive words and encouragement of many here, i am now officially a student at arizona state university.. i just went to campus, and got a hard copy of the general catalog at the book store, and i went to the computer lab to setup my access.

just seeing the young and old, people of all sorts of ethnic backgrounds, milling around campus, all engaged in the wonder of learning, made me take pause and think about how silly the jw prohibition on college is, and how completely a learning environment can shatter the witness world view.

part of me wanted to cry, and another part of me was intrigued by the hot young college chicks...heh.. it is wonderful to be able to make choices for oneself.. any recommendations for my first course?

Reborn2002

Congratulations Mikepence

After you become more comfortable with your surroundings, and are confident you are emotionally detached from the JW religion, I would strongly suggest a course in Philosophy, Ethics, or Far Eastern Culture.

Not for the sake of brainwashing your mind to some other ideal, but the information at the very least will expand your knowledge of regions of the world completely different from JW-propoganda. It will teach you to think for yourself, and to appreciate the beauty in ALL kinds of people.

I am confident you will be very satisfied with your personal growth.

The true Kingdom of God is located in your heart, not an organization of hypocrites.

www.geocities.com/latinloverchicago/Jason1.html for my new webpage and info!! Im trying to live now!!