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If God is the Creator, who created God or how did he evolve?
by KateWild in
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if god is the creator, who created god or how did he evolve?.
shepherdless

KateWild - easy answer. No space or time before the "big bang" (which was an expansion, not an explosion). Easy to find further info on this.
cantleave - please be respectful with those photos. Remember, He was boiled for your sins!
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If God is the Creator, who created God or how did he evolve?
by KateWild in
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2. beliefs
if god is the creator, who created god or how did he evolve?.
shepherdless

He started as one simple speghetti hoop which unlooped to form a string. This string then split multiple times to form HIS body.- cantleave
KateWild -Well do you have any evidence to support your statement, like a peer reviewed science paper?
Actually we have something far better. A detailed account written ages later by a person who didn't witness any of it.
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If God is the Creator, who created God or how did he evolve?
by KateWild in
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if god is the creator, who created god or how did he evolve?.
shepherdless

I see...but you still say "What caused him to come into existence" which implies a beginning though...no matter what we imply the term "cause" is...

Good point. I rephrase:
If God/FSM exists, who or what causes Him to exist?
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If God is the Creator, who created God or how did he evolve?
by KateWild in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
if god is the creator, who created god or how did he evolve?.
shepherdless

Cantleave - If god exist outside our universe and space and and time do not apply, then she can't exist - because existence requires time - you can't exist for zero seconds.
Not a problem. How she exists or not is something we cannot grasp because we mere humans are limited by the concept of "existence".

(I am being sarcastic, by the way.)
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If God is the Creator, who created God or how did he evolve?
by KateWild in
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if god is the creator, who created god or how did he evolve?.
shepherdless

Hi notsurewheretogo, I think we are stuck on semantics.
By analogy, the leaves on the shrubs outside my window are green. Chlorophyll causes them to appear green. The word "cause" in that sense is not time-dependent. It is true, whether the plants have been there for a week, of for all of eternity. This is what I meant by "cause".
By the way, for me this is just an intellectual debate. I am not out to wind anyone up.
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If God is the Creator, who created God or how did he evolve?
by KateWild in
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2. beliefs
if god is the creator, who created god or how did he evolve?.
shepherdless

You haven't read my post.

Actually I did read your post and understood your point. When I wrote "If God/FSM exists, who or what caused Him to come into existence?" I didn't mention "when", or a concept of time. In other words, I am highlighting the cause/effect issue, not the before/after issue.
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If God is the Creator, who created God or how did he evolve?
by KateWild in
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2. beliefs
if god is the creator, who created god or how did he evolve?.
shepherdless

You can't understand a God in terms of human boundaries...

Yes I was told something like that, long ago as well. It is a non-answer. Either God/FSM exists or doesn't exist. If God/FSM exists, who or what caused Him to come into existence?
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If God is the Creator, who created God or how did he evolve?
by KateWild in
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2. beliefs
if god is the creator, who created god or how did he evolve?.
shepherdless

Damn good question. Yet to see a sensible answer to this one.
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I thought this was such a well written article I decided to cut and past it here
by joe134cd in
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i read this article on exjwreddit and thought it was so well written, that just summed everything up.

i've cut and paste it.

here is the link to it on reddit.. https://m.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/4spw99/where_have_all_the_jws_gone/.
shepherdless

Just to add a point, the reddit author may well be correct about when he/she says, "There are just not as many "older ones" at the Kingdom Halls." It may be that those older ones that no longer attend still nominate themselves as being one of Jehovahs ~~Victims~~ Witnesses whenever questioned as part of a survey, such as Pew Research.
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I thought this was such a well written article I decided to cut and past it here
by joe134cd in
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2. beliefs
i read this article on exjwreddit and thought it was so well written, that just summed everything up.

i've cut and paste it.

here is the link to it on reddit.. https://m.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/4spw99/where_have_all_the_jws_gone/.
shepherdless

Here is the Pew Research source:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/11/which-u-s-religious-groups-are-oldest-and-youngest/
Someone else has posted it a few days ago and commented on it.

Yes, the reddit article is well written. However, I think the author of the article misunderstood the statistics. The author appears to be comparing Jehovahs Witnesses to a bunch of "mainline" protestant religions, noted that those protestant religions had greater proportions of over 65s, and drew the conclusion that over 65s are leaving Jehovahs Witnesses in droves.

Looking more closely at the data and the original 2014 Pew Report, what is actually happening is that protestant religions (particularly what Pew defines as "mainline") are dying rapidly. Because the chart contains lots of smaller protestant religions, and (for example) only one line for Catholic, it creates a skewed initial impression.

The best way to look at the chart is to compare JW to the "All US adults" (shown two thirds the way down). Its the adults under 29 that are missing, not the over 65s.