Mad Irishman,
please read my post, again. Of course most Muslims are very tolerant. However, in most Middle Eastern countries, you will be quickly locked up if you are caught trying to proselytize to a Muslim.
shepherdless
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Muslims and the Jehovah's Witnesses
by Tameria2001 infirst i want to say that i don't know very much about the muslims, and what i am going to say is not attacking anyone, but instead, it was something that was said to me by a muslim man a few years back.. back in 2004 my husband and i found ourselves in a homeless situation.
his job had ended because the plant that he was working at, had shut down, and was sent off to china.
at the time our two sons were still very young, so we ended up staying at a couple of different homeless shelters until my husband could find another job, which took a total of three months before he found a new job, in a new state.
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Muslims and the Jehovah's Witnesses
by Tameria2001 infirst i want to say that i don't know very much about the muslims, and what i am going to say is not attacking anyone, but instead, it was something that was said to me by a muslim man a few years back.. back in 2004 my husband and i found ourselves in a homeless situation.
his job had ended because the plant that he was working at, had shut down, and was sent off to china.
at the time our two sons were still very young, so we ended up staying at a couple of different homeless shelters until my husband could find another job, which took a total of three months before he found a new job, in a new state.
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shepherdless
Mad Irishman,
I can assure you that most Muslims in the Middle East have never heard of Jehovahs Witnesses. Yes there are many Christians in the Middle East. Most Middle Eastern countries even have legal churches; probably only Saudi Arabia is the exception. (I am told there are even a few in Iran.)
In most Middle Eastern countries, proselytizing to Muslims is illegal. In many of those countries, Watchtower is banned, at least officially. Attempted proselytizing will not only get the individual in trouble, it would put anyone connected with the religion at risk.
Some places in the Middle East it is unofficially allowed, but only for expats (typically Westerners, Indian and Filipino). If you attend, you will see ZERO Arabs (except for the occasional Christian born Lebanese). Dubai, for example has quite a few congregations, composed completely of expats. Any major city that has expats will typically have a congregation or two. They meet in rented premises and don't sing Kingdom Melodies during meetings.
They don't door knock. The standard approach to witnessing is to go to a shopping centre or other shops and strike up conversations with Filipino shop assistants (on the basis that they must be Christian, and hence safe), and go from there. They NEVER EVER approach a Muslim.
In short, Smiddy is correct.
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Muslims and the Jehovah's Witnesses
by Tameria2001 infirst i want to say that i don't know very much about the muslims, and what i am going to say is not attacking anyone, but instead, it was something that was said to me by a muslim man a few years back.. back in 2004 my husband and i found ourselves in a homeless situation.
his job had ended because the plant that he was working at, had shut down, and was sent off to china.
at the time our two sons were still very young, so we ended up staying at a couple of different homeless shelters until my husband could find another job, which took a total of three months before he found a new job, in a new state.
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shepherdless
Arabs throughout the Middle East seem to be taught in schools that Allah and the Christian god are one and the same. Ask any of them, and they will tell you that. Conversely, Arabic speaking Christians in the Middle East (eg Coptics in Egypt) call god “Allah”. Also, Jesus is described as the second most important prophet in Islam.
B.t.w., I am just reporting what they think and are taught. I am not trying to get into a debate about the origins of Islam.
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The case of Jamal Khashoggi
by LoveUniHateExams injust been catching up on the case of jamal khashoggi.. khashoggi was a saudi journalist who 'went missing' on 2 october after visiting the saudi consulate in istanbul.. he visited the consulate in order to get paperwork that confirmed he was divorced from his ex-wife and free to marry his turkish fiancée.. the details that are emerging are harrowing and show just how barbaric the saudi regime is.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6288131/jamal-khashoggis-apparent-murder-follows-disappearance-three-exiled-royal-princes.html.
these assassins are the kinda people my government (uk) and other western governments are doing business with, propping up, and acting all smiley with in front of the cameras.. i suddenly feel the need to take a shower ....
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shepherdless
Morph, I can't speak for Cofty, however, Osama was first and foremost seeking the overthrow of the Saudi ruling family. (He seemed to be completely uninterested in the Palestinian cause, by the way.) On that point, Khashoggi, OBL, the Brotherhood and many others seem to agree.
OBL seemed to think that the Saudi royal family could only hold power with the active support of USA. (There are many, including non-Muslims who think the same, by the way.) What made OBL unique was that he thought that a terrorist attack on USA constituted a legitimate tactic in the overthrow the Saudi royal family.
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The case of Jamal Khashoggi
by LoveUniHateExams injust been catching up on the case of jamal khashoggi.. khashoggi was a saudi journalist who 'went missing' on 2 october after visiting the saudi consulate in istanbul.. he visited the consulate in order to get paperwork that confirmed he was divorced from his ex-wife and free to marry his turkish fiancée.. the details that are emerging are harrowing and show just how barbaric the saudi regime is.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6288131/jamal-khashoggis-apparent-murder-follows-disappearance-three-exiled-royal-princes.html.
these assassins are the kinda people my government (uk) and other western governments are doing business with, propping up, and acting all smiley with in front of the cameras.. i suddenly feel the need to take a shower ....
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shepherdless
Another question for Morpheus:
Can you identify any terrorist attack by the Muslim Brotherhood in the last 20 years, excluding Israel?
I exclude Israel, because if you include Israel, it all becomes murky. Almost every Arab terrorist group tries to attack Israel and every purported Arab terrorist group is accused of attacking them, so you end up in an endless downward spiral trying to resolve responsibility.
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The case of Jamal Khashoggi
by LoveUniHateExams injust been catching up on the case of jamal khashoggi.. khashoggi was a saudi journalist who 'went missing' on 2 october after visiting the saudi consulate in istanbul.. he visited the consulate in order to get paperwork that confirmed he was divorced from his ex-wife and free to marry his turkish fiancée.. the details that are emerging are harrowing and show just how barbaric the saudi regime is.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6288131/jamal-khashoggis-apparent-murder-follows-disappearance-three-exiled-royal-princes.html.
these assassins are the kinda people my government (uk) and other western governments are doing business with, propping up, and acting all smiley with in front of the cameras.. i suddenly feel the need to take a shower ....
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shepherdless
They are a terrorist organization
Just occured to me. Can you name a state (other than a Wahhabi autocracy) that labels them a terrorist organisation? There may be one or two, but I can't name any.
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The case of Jamal Khashoggi
by LoveUniHateExams injust been catching up on the case of jamal khashoggi.. khashoggi was a saudi journalist who 'went missing' on 2 october after visiting the saudi consulate in istanbul.. he visited the consulate in order to get paperwork that confirmed he was divorced from his ex-wife and free to marry his turkish fiancée.. the details that are emerging are harrowing and show just how barbaric the saudi regime is.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6288131/jamal-khashoggis-apparent-murder-follows-disappearance-three-exiled-royal-princes.html.
these assassins are the kinda people my government (uk) and other western governments are doing business with, propping up, and acting all smiley with in front of the cameras.. i suddenly feel the need to take a shower ....
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shepherdless
Your lies about the aims of the mb are obvious. They are a terrorist organization, who has called for among other things, the violent overthrow of isreal.
In my experience, pretty much all Arabs call for the violent overthrow of Israel. (Not something I support at all.)
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The case of Jamal Khashoggi
by LoveUniHateExams injust been catching up on the case of jamal khashoggi.. khashoggi was a saudi journalist who 'went missing' on 2 october after visiting the saudi consulate in istanbul.. he visited the consulate in order to get paperwork that confirmed he was divorced from his ex-wife and free to marry his turkish fiancée.. the details that are emerging are harrowing and show just how barbaric the saudi regime is.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6288131/jamal-khashoggis-apparent-murder-follows-disappearance-three-exiled-royal-princes.html.
these assassins are the kinda people my government (uk) and other western governments are doing business with, propping up, and acting all smiley with in front of the cameras.. i suddenly feel the need to take a shower ....
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shepherdless
Morpheus, the bin Ladens are a well known and wealthy family in Saudi Arabia. So what, that they went to school together.
I went to school with someone who turned into a well known conservative politician in my country. In fact my dad and his dad were best friends. I went to Uni with someone who turned into a well known left wing politician, who I also share a family connection. What can you tell from my political views from that? I will give you a hint; zero.
The link you attach doesn't factually contradict anything I have said.
as for the saudi’s, again, as noted before and previously stated, they arnt perfect, but they are anti iran and allies with isreal and that makes their interests good for the rest of the world.
Can you please explain, in your own words, what threat Iran poses? If you are going to argue that they were (under a previous regime) trying to build a nuclear bomb, that is true. And there is an obvious answer.
There are definitely issues with Iran. However, I would love to hear a conservative American (assuming you are one) try and explain and set out what they are.
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The case of Jamal Khashoggi
by LoveUniHateExams injust been catching up on the case of jamal khashoggi.. khashoggi was a saudi journalist who 'went missing' on 2 october after visiting the saudi consulate in istanbul.. he visited the consulate in order to get paperwork that confirmed he was divorced from his ex-wife and free to marry his turkish fiancée.. the details that are emerging are harrowing and show just how barbaric the saudi regime is.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6288131/jamal-khashoggis-apparent-murder-follows-disappearance-three-exiled-royal-princes.html.
these assassins are the kinda people my government (uk) and other western governments are doing business with, propping up, and acting all smiley with in front of the cameras.. i suddenly feel the need to take a shower ....
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shepherdless
I wasn't particularly having a go at you, LUHE. Anyway:
I read that Khashoggi's friendship with Bin Laden ended after Khashoggi publicly condemned the 9-11 attacks.
Do you have any evidence of any contact between the two after bin Laden founded Al Qaeda?
I read that Khashoggi joined the Muslim Brotherhood in 1970. When did he leave the organisation?
1970? Sheesh. That is like asking when did someone leave the liberals, the social justice warriors, or the red necks. Where does one fill out a form to leave the Muslim Brotherhood? Where does one fill out a form to leave the red necks.
By the way, when I was in the middle east working with a lot of Arabs, one Arab (never had been to a Western country) told me there was an evil policical organisation he had heard about in the USA, that hate Arab, and they were called "The Red Necks".
More accurately, the Muslim Brotherhood's aim is to use a democratic vote to usher in Sharia, after which there will be no more democratic votes.
Muslim Brotherhood would (consistent with their interpretation of Sharia law) want to establish a Majlis, which is loosely equivalent to a parliament. The democratically elected parliaments in countries such as Iran, Oman and Maldives, for example, are all called a Majlis. (The one in Oman has no real power.)
It's important to state this and distinguish it from groups which genuinely believe in democracy!
I wish it was that simple. Irrespective of religion or political leaning, there are always people who seek power, and are happy to pander to whatever ideological or social appeals may be available to advance their quests for power.
Eg the Ayatollahs got power from the Shah of Iran with massive support of those seeking democracy, and also various communist leaning groups. The Ayatollahs would never have succeeded otherwise. After they got power, they systematically executed the communists.
One thing for certain; MBS doesn't support democracy.
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The case of Jamal Khashoggi
by LoveUniHateExams injust been catching up on the case of jamal khashoggi.. khashoggi was a saudi journalist who 'went missing' on 2 october after visiting the saudi consulate in istanbul.. he visited the consulate in order to get paperwork that confirmed he was divorced from his ex-wife and free to marry his turkish fiancée.. the details that are emerging are harrowing and show just how barbaric the saudi regime is.. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6288131/jamal-khashoggis-apparent-murder-follows-disappearance-three-exiled-royal-princes.html.
these assassins are the kinda people my government (uk) and other western governments are doing business with, propping up, and acting all smiley with in front of the cameras.. i suddenly feel the need to take a shower ....
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shepherdless
There is a suggestion in the thread above that Khashoggi was a friend of bin Laden. It appears he was in the 1980s. Khashoggi interviewed bin Laden in in Afghanistan back then, at a time when the CIA was funding bin Laden and other Muhadjadeen, and Al Qaeda didn't exist.
Some info here:
It is natural that the Saudis would claim he has connections with or sympathy for the Muslim Brotherhood. That is their standard criticism of any pro-democratic Muslim. (The main ideological difference between Wahhabism and Salafist/Muslim Brotherhood is that the latter is amenable to democracy; the former is not.)
Khashoggi's disappearance or execution is nothing new, since MBS has become powerful, and even before he became Crown Prince. Eg see the following, for some others kidnapped from Europe:
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-40926963
MBS started the war in Yemen. The worst war on the planet in the last few years, after the Yemenis rejected the president Saudi Arabia wanted in charge. He doesn't even put troops on the ground. He just bombs them from the air, trying to starve them into submission, using US supplied weapons. The long term consequences are likely to be devastating. Yemen, though poor, has a population nearly the size of Saudi Arabia.
Many people might not know there is a significant Shiite minority in Saudi Arabia. MBS has also waged all out war against them, in one location:
Lets not forget MBS kidnapped the Lebanese Prime Minister in Nov last year:
Overall, the Saudi regime under MBS is the new Saddam Hussain or Col Gaddafi. Possibly a lot more dangerous.