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  “The Right to Shun: Ghent’s Misguided Jehovah’s Witness Decision“ Matthew P. Cavedon

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://canopyforum.org/2021/04/19/the-right-to-shun-ghents-misguided-jehovahs-witness-decision/.

  in march, the criminal court of ghent, belgium fined the congregation of jehovah’s witnesses (jw) for “inciting discrimination and hatred or violence against former members.” the case centered on the jw practice of “disfellowshipping.” while the court’s sensitivity to the individual impact of shunning is laudable, its decision regrettably assaults the freedoms of religion and association.. first, some background on jw beliefs and disfellowshipping.

  jw was founded in the united states over a century ago and is headquartered in new york state.

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  To the best of my knowledge, a threat of divine punishment doesn't constitute coercion.
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  “The Right to Shun: Ghent’s Misguided Jehovah’s Witness Decision“ Matthew P. Cavedon

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://canopyforum.org/2021/04/19/the-right-to-shun-ghents-misguided-jehovahs-witness-decision/.

  in march, the criminal court of ghent, belgium fined the congregation of jehovah’s witnesses (jw) for “inciting discrimination and hatred or violence against former members.” the case centered on the jw practice of “disfellowshipping.” while the court’s sensitivity to the individual impact of shunning is laudable, its decision regrettably assaults the freedoms of religion and association.. first, some background on jw beliefs and disfellowshipping.

  jw was founded in the united states over a century ago and is headquartered in new york state.

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  The last time I checked this, they didn't live in closed settlement and weren't deprived of modern means of communication.

  Which means those feeling coerced to shun can pretty easily have regular contacts with their disfellowshipped friends and relatives - and still avoid being caught and punished. If they don't use - don't even try to use - this opportunity, are they really coerced?
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  Is this New Light coming or just some crackpot?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this experience was posted about a year ago.

  it seems like a crackpot co was giving his prediction of what "might possibly happen in the future" .

  now it seems like he wasn't such a crackpot after all.. quote.

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  An anonymous Redditor says

  ...that his brother said him

  ...that one elder said him

  ...that a CO said "something along these lines."

  I guess the proper beginning of the post is "Me, my brother, an elder and a CO walk into a bar"
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  What does the fact that WT baptism numbers are still high in the pandemic tell us?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i thought jiles grey response to this question was interesting:.

  "i think that it demonstrates just how ineffective the jehovah’s witnesses’ door to door evangelising is.. in 2019 there were 303,866 people baptised.

  this was during a year when the preaching work was in full swing.. in 2020 there were 241,994 people baptised.

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  The fact that there was only a difference of -61,872 new converts indicates just how many of the newly dedicated people are in-house, many of them being children of JWs who have been brought up in the religion.

  ALL newly baptised people are "in-house" because one must attend meetings and serve as an exemplar unbaptised publisher for at least few years (maybe an year or so in some cases) before being baptised.

  Newly baptised ≠ new converts.

  And I think the 2020 decrease in baptisms can be attributed to "logistics" issues (cancelled assemplies, movement restrictions etc.) rather than to those related to the field ministry.
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  Lawsuit: I said GB member Barr that my Bethelite stepfather abused me; he did nothing

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  here's an excerpt from the recent lawsuit deborah hines v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york et al (paragraphs 158-180), one of 29 known cases brought against the org pursuant to the ny child victims act.

  what should be kept in mind is that gerrit lösch apparently worked in europe (the austrian branch and eastern europe) at the time when the abuse was allegedly reported to him (not a gb member then).. plaintiff was raised a member of the jehovah’s witnesses.

  she primarily attended meetings at various congregations in arizona.

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  AFAIK, Lösch spent the entire part of his life preceding 1990/91 in Europe, where he was born, which doesn't necessarily mean he didn't visit the US Bethel at that time but certainly raises questions.
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  Lawsuit: I said GB member Barr that my Bethelite stepfather abused me; he did nothing

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  here's an excerpt from the recent lawsuit deborah hines v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york et al (paragraphs 158-180), one of 29 known cases brought against the org pursuant to the ny child victims act.

  what should be kept in mind is that gerrit lösch apparently worked in europe (the austrian branch and eastern europe) at the time when the abuse was allegedly reported to him (not a gb member then).. plaintiff was raised a member of the jehovah’s witnesses.

  she primarily attended meetings at various congregations in arizona.

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  Here's an excerpt from the recent lawsuit Deborah Hines v. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York et al (paragraphs 158-180), one of 29 known cases brought against the org pursuant to the NY Child Victims Act. What should be kept in mind is that Gerrit Lösch apparently worked in Europe (the Austrian branch and Eastern Europe) at the time when the abuse was allegedly reported to him (not a GB member then).

  PLAINTIFF was raised a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. She primarily attended meetings at various congregations in Arizona. PLAINTIFF became a Pioneer in approximately 1987 or 1988.
  Plaintiff’s stepfather, William Briggs (“Briggs”) was employed by WATCHTOWER and GOVERNING BODY to produce videos at Bethel. Due to his position, Plaintiff and her family split their time between Arizona and New York. Plaintiff and her family would spend three months in New York, where they lived at Bethel, then return back to Arizona for one month, and then go back to New York for three months, and so on and so forth. WATCHTOWER and GOVERNING BODY assigned elder Ted Adams as Briggs’ Overseer while at Bethel.
  From approximately 1982-1988, when PLAINTIFF was approximately 10-16 years old, PLAINTIFF suffered horrific sexual abuse by Briggs. The sexual abuse occurred three to five times per week, and included, but was not limited to, sodomy, rape, forced oral copulation, and Briggs urinating in Plaintiff’s mouth.
  While at Bethel, Plaintiff was assigned to work various jobs, including, assisting with video production, working in the laundry facility, and as an elevator operator. While at Bethel, Plaintiff was assigned by WATCHTOWER and GOVERNING BODY to live in the same room as her mother and Briggs. At all times relevant, Plaintiff’s mother suffered from alcoholism. While Plaintiff’s family was living at Bethel, Plaintiff’s mother would frequently consume alcohol to the point of incapacitation. Once she was incapacitated, Briggs would sexually abuse Plaintiff in their room at Bethel.
  In approximately 1986, Plaintiff reported her sexual abuse to Michael Filla, an Elder who worked at Bethel. Mr. Filla did nothing in response. Briggs’ sexual abuse of Hines continued at Bethel after Hines’ report to Mr. Filla.
  A couple weeks after reporting to Mr. Filla, Plaintiff reported her abuse to Ted Adams, an Elder at Bethel, the Overseer of all video projects at Bethel, and the elder who WATCHTOWER and GOVERNING BODY assigned to oversee Briggs while Briggs was at Bethel. Mr. Adams told Plaintiff that she should not talk about her abuse with anyone. Mr. Adams was removed as an Overseer shortly thereafter. Briggs’ sexual abuse of Hines continued at Bethel after Hines’ report to Mr. Adams.
  Plaintiff then reported her abuse to Mr. Underwood, an Elder at Bethel and the Overseer of all international construction at Bethel. Mr. Underwood did nothing in response. Briggs’ sexual abuse of Hines continued at Bethel after Hines’ report to Mr. Underwood.
  Plaintiff then reported to Jack Barr, an Elder and a member of the GOVERNING BODY at the time. Mr. Barr told Plaintiff that he would relay her report to the entire GOVERNING BODY. Briggs’ sexual abuse of Hines continued at Bethel after Hines’ report to Mr. Barr. About one week after her report to Mr. Barr, Mr. Barr informed Plaintiff that the GOVERNING BODY had “taken care of it,” that she should feel privileged for having the experiences that she had, that Briggs was too important to be disciplined because of his role in creating videos at Bethel, that they couldn’t do anything about her abuse because Briggs had only admitted to digitally penetrating and not raping Plaintiff, and that if she continued to talk about her abuse, she would be stripped of her privileges as a Pioneer.
  Following her report to Mr. Barr, Plaintiff was removed from her mother and stepfather’s room at Bethel. Plaintiff was told that Briggs would not be told why Plaintiff was being removed from his room. Upon information and belief, Briggs was told that Plaintiff was removed from his room due to her accusations that he was sexually abusing her. Briggs’ sexual abuse of Plaintiff continued when they returned to Arizona. Based on information and belief, while in Arizona Briggs escalated his behavior, including by physically abusing Hines, in retaliation for Plaintiff’s aforementioned reports.
  In or around 1987, Plaintiff reported her ongoing sexual abuse to LOSCH. LOSCH responded that it had been handled, that Briggs was sufficiently repentant, and that Plaintiff should not talk to anybody else about the abuse anymore. Following Plaintiff’s report to LOSCH, Briggs continued to sexually abuse PLAINTIFF at their home in Arizona.
  Upon information and belief, Briggs was never disciplined by WATCHTOWER or GOVERNING BODY for admitting to sexually abusing Plaintiff. Plaintiff ignored WATCHTOWER’s and GOVERNING BODY’s directive to keep quiet about her abuse and continued to report her abuse to several other Jehovah’s Witness members, including several more elders. As a result, WATCHTOWER and GOVERNING BODY retaliated against Plaintiff by removing her privileges as a Pioneer in 1991. On the day that Plaintiff’s privileges were removed, she was publicly reproved, and Briggs was elevated to the position of Elder
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  Police in Finland investigating JW fundraising

  by Festus in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  police in finland has been investigating fundraising of jehovah's witnesses "for years" according to state prosecutor mika appelsin.

  before year 2016 society's bank account appeared on jw's magazines and homepage.

  it is legal to collect money in religious events - it is view as an offertory by law even when using contribution boxes.

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  A state prosecutor of the Office of the Prosecutor General of Finland decides no charges will be filed against ten branch executives and managers suspected of violating fundraising rules. The case is discontinued due to lack of evidence and statute of limitations; acording to the decision, it was the international organization, not the Finnish association, that was responsible for the fundraising activities in question (namely, publishing certain Watchtower study issues and the official website).

  https://syyttajalaitos.fi/-/jehovan-todistajien-johtohenkiloille-ei-syytteita-epaillysta-rahankeraysrikoksesta
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  Jehovah Witnesses lost in Court. Disfellowshipped Sister Reinstated by Court Order?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  imagine the "faithful" jws who are now having to talk to this person by court order or face the consequences----legally.. exjws are spreading the news and now some exjws who have been disfellowshipped for years are starting to research to see if this is an option in their country.

  here are the articles, you need to translate in google.

  https://www.nrk.no/norge/gry-nygard-ble-ekskludert-fra-jehovas-vitner-_-vant-i-lagmannsretten-1.15570621.

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  Anony Mous, your comment makes no sense and has nothing to do with reality.

  https://youtu.be/Ec7rCsNFn30

  Also, I've found the decision in question, and it strikes me as a blatant travesty of justice.
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  Jehovah Witnesses lost in Court. Disfellowshipped Sister Reinstated by Court Order?

  by pistolpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  imagine the "faithful" jws who are now having to talk to this person by court order or face the consequences----legally.. exjws are spreading the news and now some exjws who have been disfellowshipped for years are starting to research to see if this is an option in their country.

  here are the articles, you need to translate in google.

  https://www.nrk.no/norge/gry-nygard-ble-ekskludert-fra-jehovas-vitner-_-vant-i-lagmannsretten-1.15570621.

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  This article appears to be the only substantial commentary on the case; much recommended: https://bitterwinter.org/jehovahs-witnesses-a-strange-norwegian-decision/
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  Three new lawsuits against Watchtower filed under NY Child Victims Act (CVA) this October, bringing number of CVA cases up to six

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  new cases:.

  diaz case, filed on 10/21/2020 by zalkin law firm - two plaintiffs abused (here and hereinafter - allegedly) by two ministerial servants in 1970s.. iglesias case, filed on 10/19/2020 by eisenberg & baum, llp against various nyc and wt entities - abused by an "elder john doe" and "[travelling] overseer john" in 1970s and 1980s.. aldridge case, filed 10/06/2020 by zalkin law firm - abused by a congregation elder in 1970s.. older cases:.

  tarry case (no 1 and no 2), filed on 09/17/2019 and 07/23/2020 by parker waichman llp - abused by a publisher in 1984. very weak case.

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  https://www.reddit.com/r/jw_lawsuits/comments/pen2mk/lawsuit_alleges_jack_barr_and_gerrit_l%C3%B6sch_failed/

  I'm surprised nobody has yet written about that case.