I think sex before marriage was like marrying someone in the OT...memory may be fuzzy since reading Leviticus, but the consequence of sex before marriage was you get married. This is not to say I think that was perfect...as many have said here, if it was rape, the criminal had to marry the victim. What if the victim didn't freaking want to? Maybe no one would have married her in that culture after she was raped, but maybe she would prefer that, did anyone ask?? Like job and Abraham and Thomas and Jacob, it's ok to wrestle with God. We don't have to agree with everything and question or doubt nothing. I've got many issues with God but I also have faith and I'm sticking with him and maybe he'll give me answers in this life, maybe the next...it's just nice to be free to have my own opinions and not have to take the Bible completely literally, all or nothing anymore.
FayeDunaway
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What's worse, brutal murder or fornication?
by Tornintwo injust to give you a bit of background, i've been researching my doubts for over a month, i'm convinced that although they may have some things right, they have a lot of other things horribly wrong.
i'm still clinging to a faith in god, because i see a creator's hand in nature, and i believe in jesus and his teachings, love, mercy, compassion.....that if everyone truly applied these (including jws) then all would benefit.. but i read this article in march and it's been on my mind ever since.
where isis stone a young couple to death for sex before marriage (a bit graphic).. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3017800/sickening-images-blindfolded-bound-couple-brutally-stoned-death-fornication-isis-militants-iraq.html.
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Everything seems to be changing... why not birthdays?
by StarTrekAngel inif we look at all doctrines, we see an overall effort to conserve unity and control.
- assuming most birthdays, if allowed, would probably be oriented to children, then that means 40 celebrations per year.
so all in all, this give a total potential attendance to a birthday of 30 families (120 attendance / 4 family members).
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FayeDunaway
I think LQ is probably right.
And I think the birthday ban started because GOD FORBID any witness child should ever feel special one day out of the year. That would be worldly and we are no part of the world. Jehovah, and the GB by extension, are the only ones that ever deserve to feel special...
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I found something useful the Witnesses do for society.
by adjusted knowledge ini'm currently working at a rehab facility.
it also has assisted living, long term care, and hospice.
the facility allows churches to sign up for planned activities.
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FayeDunaway
I used to go to a senior care home with a lovely sister who would study the bible stories book with them. Yes, it was to count time. Yes she was a pioneer and needed those hours. It sure beat knocking on doors. Most people just sat there and didn't engage much. Some would say 'I am Methodist!' or something. :)
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Well another one leaves the Borg.
by John Aquila ini took a quick trip to the store and i happened to see a young man (about 26-28 years old) who got baptized about the same time i was leaving- about 2 years ago.
a couple of pioneer sisters found him in the door to door work.
one of them, a very attractive girl.
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FayeDunaway
Jws, you just hope those that leave don't feel guilty for the rest of their lives, but either innately know it's BS, or allow themselves do RESEARCH and get to the point where they can move on instead of residing in a state of limbo....somewhere between bitterness and guilt. -
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wt and charity
by zeb ini know of no charitable work by wt.
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hm of the r&f live in poor situations who could be helped, raised out of their situation using the vast resources of the wt.. the wt could run job search programs to help unemployed get work.. it could run its own medical insurance in countries where such is prohibitively expensive.. " but if anyone has the worlds goods and sees a brother in need yet closes his hand against him how does gods love abide in him?
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Well another one leaves the Borg.
by John Aquila ini took a quick trip to the store and i happened to see a young man (about 26-28 years old) who got baptized about the same time i was leaving- about 2 years ago.
a couple of pioneer sisters found him in the door to door work.
one of them, a very attractive girl.
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FayeDunaway
Gov, regarding your second point, once I heard someone describe witnesses to someone else...'their religion is like, EVERYTHING to them.' Boy did he nail it. Unfortunately for those of us 'born in', we don't have a real family to go back to, after we leave. :,(
Regarding your third point, my favorite was always when a speaker said 'in the country of Africa...'
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Jehovah's Witnesses and Plastic Surgery?
by John Aquila inin my area, a lot of the young jws, especially girls are getting breast implants, nose jobs, chin implants.
asian jws girls get eyelid surgery, and one girl even got her legs lengthen 5 inches making her about five feet nine inches tall the male jws are getting hair transplants and nose jobs.
and nobody in the congregation says a word, including elders.
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FayeDunaway
That is just crazy!! I do know a lot of men who are dying to be taller. I love magnum's comment (magnum, I OFTEN love your comments!!)
'little children are supposed to forgo ice cream, but you get a boob job?'
also, John! I've been meaning to tell you, you are SO good at telling a story!!
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Jehovah's Witnesses and Plastic Surgery?
by John Aquila inin my area, a lot of the young jws, especially girls are getting breast implants, nose jobs, chin implants.
asian jws girls get eyelid surgery, and one girl even got her legs lengthen 5 inches making her about five feet nine inches tall the male jws are getting hair transplants and nose jobs.
and nobody in the congregation says a word, including elders.
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FayeDunaway
I didn't even know plastic surgery for height was possible!!
This is rather disgusting, especially coming from people who think they are so 'spiritual', and who think the world is ending. What happens in paradise, their noses go back to what they were?
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Our hall is asking for money...
by thedepressedsoul ini guess the branch isn't happy with the amount being sent each month since we are way lower than our loan amount.
we now have to another financial survey to see the max amount that can be given.
it is "encouraged" for all to be in attendance and give much forethought and consideration to the amount you can donate each month.
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FayeDunaway
I hate it. Hate it hate it hate it. It's how they've always spoken, but how do they manage to be treacly superior manipulative reprimanding money-grabbing hypocritical two-faced self righteous pious intimidating self-congratulating beggars, all at once? It's a skill. -
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Music
by Mr.logic inwe would all agree that music whatever its form or genre, speaks to us, maybe a favorite childhood nursery rhyme, maybe dads music,etc.
a lot of us where shut down to such wordly things, some were not.
music has always helped me in hard times, that song, that artist, that let's get moving stuff, what speaks to you, its not a cure all, but what do you like?
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FayeDunaway
I'm a big Zeppelin fan too but I like anything good. Love the white stripes, Beethoven, Tito Puente, Puccini, Rolling Stones, U2, morten lauridsen, Mozart, Verdi, black eyed peas, Aretha, Bach.