This is heartbreaking. I'm thankful I was too strong willed to listen to the society about this subject. I kept having babies, couldn't pioneer (oh, darn!) I'm really sorry so many others tried their best to obey the admonitions, and now have no children. And you guys here are the best types of principled people who SHOULD really reproduce. I hope something happens at some point in your lives that makes you feel at peace with this.
FayeDunaway
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Why My Wife and I Have No Kids
by JT in*** g74 11/8 ***9 is this the time to have children?there has always been a positive attitude about childbearing.
*** g74 11/8 10 is this the time to have children?
what does imminent mean?
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I put up lights this year
by Zoos ini have always wanted to do that.. nothing special.
in fact, i have learned i'm not very good at it.
i have many talents.
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FayeDunaway
Just for kicks: A Wicca site said a snowman is a 'Protective guardian' outside your home. A historical site said snowmen were probably originally snow women, and symbols of fertility based on their round figures. I didn't look too much further but YEP, you can find pagan origins of snowmen, as well as everything everywhere you ever look!! -
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I put up lights this year
by Zoos ini have always wanted to do that.. nothing special.
in fact, i have learned i'm not very good at it.
i have many talents.
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FayeDunaway
Blondie I can't imagine them writing that these days. Approval of snowmen, which is associated with christmas?? Approval of skiing? A costly activity done when you could be preaching? Quoting a song associated with christmas??
Come to think of it I'm pretty sure you could find some historical indication that snowmen are pagan if you looked hard enough. :D
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I put up lights this year
by Zoos ini have always wanted to do that.. nothing special.
in fact, i have learned i'm not very good at it.
i have many talents.
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FayeDunaway
I was in the grocery store when they started playing 'have yourself a merry little Christmas.' I started bawling.
This part:
here we are as in olden days
happy golden days of yore
faithful friends who are dear to us
gather near to us
once more
i started thinking of my 'worldly' grandparents. They were so sweet. They must have been so lonely, wishing they could share christmas with us. And now that I've left the religion, they are gone. I never got to have those olden days with them.
I hate my parents' damn extremist religion. It still makes me cry in public, years after I've left it.
yeah, we've got to try to make up for it. I make sure my kids always get to have themselves a merry little Christmas.
Zoos im happy for you and your Christmas lights. And don't worry, I'm definitely the lamest OPer here, with two original posts. TWO.
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Of Minions and Smurfs
by oppostate indidn't take too long for the minions to join the smurfs as being satanic in the minds of some jw's.
whadda-bunch-of-bull-hukey-puckiesi!.
this showed up on jw facebook timelines today.. .
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FayeDunaway
I remember a JW post about the movie Avatar too...blue people oooohh must be demons!
But minions!?! Really?? Fine. Let them be miserable and avoid the adorable minions. The ironic thing is, of course, they don't know of their own Masonic connections and don't think of themselves as a secret society...but think everything else is.
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Are we participants in this forum because of bouts of "loneliness"?
by Wonderment ini wonder how many of us here hold on to this meeting place out of "loneliness.
could it be that we harbor feelings of "abandonment" and "loneliness" from being left cold and dry by the wt people and our families?
perhaps we do have a need to reach out to people with similar experiences.
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FayeDunaway
I am not lonely. I love my church and the community there, I have many friends in many walks of life, I have old friends who also left the religion, and we have found eachother again (thank you facebook!), I also have my husband and kids.
But my birth family is pretty much gone to me. As long as we are apart, I miss them and have that frustration. Coming here sort of relieves that. I can keep up with what they are hearing and doing even tho we talk hardly ever.
I like hearing about other people's experiences here. It's so strange, because it's often like reading my own. This is only possible in a cult...that someone's mental processes can be so similar. Also it's fun to reminisce with people here. We went through such similar childhoods and experiences.
I like giving support to people who are just starting to act on their doubts. It was an awful time for me. Unfortunately I didn't try to find places like this, then. I was too scared, I suppose. I came here several years later to research current practices of disfellowshipping and the current view on 1914. Stayed mainly because so many people are so desperate, trying to get out. I want to be a voice for them so they know it can work out and to not give up.
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WT history repeating?
by WasOnceBlind ini war reading an interesting research article about charles taze russell and all of his financial dealings.
this caught my eye:.
charles taze russell and the watchtower society were in deep business distress after the "busted" october 1914 prophecy failure, and particularly after the "busted" october 1915 prophecy failure.
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FayeDunaway
Good points, joe and sir.
I think the way they have it set up, some new member of the governing body would have to be that person. It would have to be some benign seeming leader type who had secret ambitions.
They are really ripe for it.
But also, the way they now manipulate people, maybe we wouldn't see a 75% drop off. There wasn't the same mentality back then. It wasn't really 'you must follow only us, or you DIE and Jehovah will HATE you' as it is now.
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WT history repeating?
by WasOnceBlind ini war reading an interesting research article about charles taze russell and all of his financial dealings.
this caught my eye:.
charles taze russell and the watchtower society were in deep business distress after the "busted" october 1914 prophecy failure, and particularly after the "busted" october 1915 prophecy failure.
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I just found out that my youngest brother committed suicide
by SnakesInTheTower inmy middle brother called me a couple of hours ago.
our youngest brother, josh, who was 38, was found by his friends in his apartment.
he hung himself.
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Dating a Religious Person - Thoughts?
by Garrett inhello my dear friends :).
i am here once again because you guys are pretty much the most awesome peeps ever.. i have a new dilemma that i'd like your opinions on.
as most of you know, i'm an agnostic.
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FayeDunaway
You simply need to talk about this with her to find out if she's cool with it. Also, if your relationship progressed, would you be cool with your kids going to church? Keep in mind that Catholicism, especially these days, isn't like being a witness. It's a lot easier for religiously divided families if the religion isn't a cult like the one you have known. Also, you're agnostic, not atheist, which makes the religious divide a little narrower. Would you go to church with her and support her? You wouldn't have to do the faking thing, you could just explain you're an agnostic to people and they would be ok with that. A lot of it is your attitude. If you can respect her beliefs and not belittle them, and if she respects that you don't think her religion has all the answers, this could work.