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  Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

  or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

  it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

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  ExBethelitenowPIMA

  • either chance or intelligent design can’t be proven.

    Hi Pima,

    I truly appreciate your attepts at acquiring a new worlview after WT. It is unavoidable and is a worthy pursuit.
    
    Your above statement is a truth claimed based on empiricism. Did you prove this by empirical observation? No, you can't see a truth claim. It is abstract. So, how do you know the statement itself is true?

    So, the notion that all truth claims ought to be determined by empirical observation, cannot be proved by emirical observation and therefore should be rejected by its own standard.
    
    Many things can be proved by empirical observation, just not all. So, it cannot be the ultimate standard of truth.
    
    Christians don't have this problem.

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  • Creationists say the facts like the sun is the perfect distance that it’s apparent size to the moon in a total eclipse is exact from our point of view on earth shows proof of intelligent design. Is this what you are talking about with relying on experience or observation alone often without due regard for system and theory?
  • Is there any such observations with origin of life by chance theory? Has the missing link been found yet?
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  • If not then you are by definition agnostic about evolution if you like it or not.
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  • once irrefutable proof of chance evolution is presented you are no longer agnostic by true definition.
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  • It all comes down to proof. Even if you have faith in something for example Darwin’s theory, if it can’t be proved then agnostic is what you are even if you don’t like it and don’t agree
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  Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

  or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

  it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

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  ExBethelitenowPIMA

  The meaning of being agnostic is that you have come to the conclusion that either chance or intelligent design can’t be proven.

  If one could be proven then all agnostics would jump that side of the fence.

  If someone could prove either chance or intelligent design then please post the proof here, I would jump that side of the fence in a heartbeat. Please I’m serious there would be no more agnosticism that would be it.

  unfortunately there is no proof of either theory and once you come to this realisation you also realise we are all agnostic until such proof can be presented.

  both chance and intelligent design are theories until irrefutable proof can be presented everyone is agnostic wether they like it or not.
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  Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

  or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

  it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

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  ExBethelitenowPIMA

  The entire point of being agnostic is that you have come to the conclusion that either chance or intelligent design can’t be proven.

  If one could be proven then all agnostics would jump that side of the fence.

  If someone could prove either chance or intelligent design then please post the proof here, I would jump that side of the fence in a heartbeat.

  unfortunately there is no proof of either theory and once you come to this realisation you also realise we are all agnostic until such proof can be presented
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  Do Jehovah's Witnesses view faithfulness to Jehovah as being equivalent to faithfulness to the Governing Body?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i thought this was an interesting response to the question.

  "being faithful and loyal to god implies or includes.

  being faithful to your spouse (hebrews 13:4),.

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  ExBethelitenowPIMA

  Doing that the GB says even if you don’t understand why, this is what we have rammed down our throats. It’s the same as obeying or not following direction from Jehovah himself.

  Follow the GB direction even if you don’t agree. We were always told at a later time you will look back and think “I’m so pleased I faithfully followed the GB direction even though I didn’t agree at the time”

  Following direction to remain fully vaccinated has been very harmful and has now cast doubt on any future direction
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  Another new missing part of the Bible found

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22011278/new-bible-chapter-hidden-verses-discovered-erased-scribe/.

  i wonder what the remaining members of the gb will make of this?.

  i excited to read all of this once it’s released and compare with the rest of mathew.

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  ExBethelitenowPIMA

  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22011278/new-bible-chapter-hidden-verses-discovered-erased-scribe/
  

  I wonder what the remaining members of the GB will make of this?

  I excited to read all of this once it’s released and compare with the rest of Mathew
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  Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

  or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

  it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

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  ExBethelitenowPIMA

  How dare anyone tell anyone else that they can’t believe something.

  I can choose to be agnostic that is my choice. If someone else believes the origin of life was chance or intelligent design that’s their choice.

  I am finally very happy with my choice of my belief system. It’s taken a lot of searching to get where I finally am. Im mentally agnostic and I’m staying physically in as JW in case the Bibles promises turn out to have any truth in them. This hope gives me comfort.

  I am also just as agnostic towards Darwin’s theory of evolution or some similar origin of life came about by chance theory.

  The entire point of being agnostic is that you have come to the conclusion that either chance or intelligent design can’t be proven.

  If one could be proven then all agnostics would jump that side of the fence.
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  Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

  or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

  it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

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  ExBethelitenowPIMA

  I guess all agnostics are hedging their bets

  if you are agnostic towards if there is a God you are by definition agnostic towards the evolution theory also.

  Im actually staying physically In because I enjoy it. I find it very interesting studying the Bible every week giving parts and commenting.

  Agnostic just means you don’t think it’s possible to find out the entire truth but still find it all very interesting and enjoyable 😁

  A person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable. broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god. : a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something. political agnostics.
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  Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

  or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

  it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

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  ExBethelitenowPIMA

  nicolaou3 hours ago

  when someone is going through a real hard time it’s very helpful to say the Bible promises no more pain and suffering

  
  

  I disagree. If, for example, a mother loses her child is it really "helpful" to tell her she can have her child back again? How does such a lie help her grieving process? How unspeakably cruel is it to offer hope that cannot possibly be fulfilled.

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  What I think is cruel is when the priest says God wanted your child in heaven so took them. That is cruel and no Biblical at all.

  If you say to a grieving parent the Bible says there is a reserection hope then that is truthful the Bible says that. If it’s true or not is up to the individual I’m personally agnostic but I do think it’s comforting to think about the Bibles hope
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  Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

  or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

  it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

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  ExBethelitenowPIMA

  ExBethelitenowPIMA I don't recall you ever mentioning on this site if you have JW (such as PIMI) relatives. Would you mind telling us if you do?
  

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  Yes large family some in, some never been in and some now out.

  The ones out we are not following direction and shunning them at all.

  Of all of us still physically in we all tend to be agnostic.
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  Better off PIMA than POMA or POMO.

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the situation is many of us are pima and all putting on a front, sometimes saying something we don’t fully believe.

  or at least are actually agnostic about but a hope that it’s true.. but it can be useful if someone is really going through a hard time or has something they are very worried about, to say things like well let’s hope there is not much longer of this old system.. this can be useful in an awkward situation where you just don’t know what to do or say.

  it’s a little bit of hope that can help when there is nothing else.. my agnosticism just means i won’t look back over decades thinking i wasted my life.

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  ExBethelitenowPIMA

  Very interesting posts thanks all.

  Yes it’s better to have a hope than nothing at all.

  I personally think it’s better to have a hope in the Bibles promises even if like me you feel we don’t really understand everything and it is probably not what we think.

  The GB may be way off on their understanding and I think they probably are, along with every other religion and Bible scholars.

  Be comfortable not knowing but to have hope of something better while being agnostic is my situation.

  I think it’s good for you to keep talking about the Bibles promises and it helps others.

  when someone is going through a real hard time it’s very helpful to say the Bible promises no more pain and suffering.

  Even if I’m agnostic at the end of the day.